Is it true that....

[Michael The Disciple]

Who is paying hundreds of dollars for a suit? I got like 4 and only one of them even cost over 100.... If a person CHOOSES to pay way too much for their clothing that is their deal... not mine.

Relax man. I dont care if someone wears a suit. Im COMPARING the absurd travesty of thinking someone who wears a beard is rebellious because of the "hippies" when suit wearers look just like MANY types of worldly people.

Does YOUR CHURCH teach if a man wears a beard he is rebellious? That he may not stand on the sacred "platform"? I hope not.

I personally like wearing suits to church. I have worn sweaters and just slacks and a dress shirt many many times. Don't know where you all go to church but I've never been so much as looked down upon because of my apparel. I don't want to wear blue jeans to church, so I won't. If you guys CHOOSE to be around people who are legalistic and what not that is your CHOICE. I have been in the UPCI my entire life.

Well if you wear suits or things similar to what everyone else does of course they would not look down on you. But if I chose to wear my normal attire (blue jeans or the like) would I be looked down on? And really I quit worrying about if FOR MYSELF decades ago.

My concern is for people who love God who are wanting to attend a Oneness Church....then find out the MAJORITY of them teach such absurdities that its sinful or "rebellious" for a man to wear a beard OR for a woman to trim her hair.

They are looking for something deeper in God and they get hit with such nonsense. THATS my concern.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

My concern is for people who love God who are wanting to attend a Oneness Church....then find out the MAJORITY of them teach such absurdities that its sinful or "rebellious" for a man to wear a beard OR for a woman to trim her hair.

They are looking for something deeper in God and they get hit with such nonsense. THATS my concern.

Mike, did it ever occur to you that your idea of Christianity might be too extreme for some people?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, did it ever occur to you that your idea of Christianity might be too extreme for some people?

A beard is extreme?

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom,

Do you agree with this statement?

My concern is for people who love God who are wanting to attend a Oneness Church....then find out the MAJORITY of them teach such absurdities that its sinful or "rebellious" for a man to wear a beard OR for a woman to trim her hair.

They are looking for something deeper in God and they get hit with such nonsense. THATS my concern.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

A beard is extreme?

Did I say that?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

Do you agree with this statement?

Mike answer my question.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, did it ever occur to you that your idea of Christianity might be too extreme for some people?

If it is they will probably not make Heaven their home. Jesus Christ was the most extreme Shepherd you will ever meet. People gag at his teachings all the while twisting them so as not to have to deal with who he is. He is (in addition to his meekness and gentleness) a mighty warrior king!

He demands perfection from his people and makes threats to them to help assure their obedience. He is the one with which people have to do. I just try to be a faithful witness to his word.

Is this to extreme for todays Churches?

Rev 3:1-5


1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I dont here this being taught much if ever. Our works must be perfect. Extreme? To Jesus he counts it as the norm!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike answer my question.

I answered yours. Now answer mine.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If it is they will probably not make Heaven their home.

So, if they don't like the way YOU preach and teach it then they won't go to heaven?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus Christ was the most extreme Shepherd you will ever meet. People gag at his teachings all the while twisting them so as not to have to deal with who he is. He is (in addition to his meekness and gentleness) a mighty warrior king!

But wouldn't you agree that people also twist them so they make the teachings harder than they have to be? While you are beating a tin drum against a clean shave and a hair cut you do advocate a woman wearing a dish rag on her head. If she doesn't see it the way you do is she saved?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He demands perfection

What's YOUR idea of that?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He demands perfection from his people and makes threats to them to help assure their obedience.

Oh, I see, so Jesus, assures our obedience by threatening us? Maybe you should start wearing a suit, especially since you believe "Mafia Types" wear suits, and your Jesus sounds more like a mob enforcer? Hey, I may have you totally wrong, but didn't Jesus come after the ones who were already matured "religiously" you know, the "well" who didn't need the help, but was a father to those who did need the help so they were able to come to repentance?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He is the one with which people have to do. I just try to be a faithful witness to his word.

Is this to extreme for todays Churches?

I believe that when we focus on bullwhips and chairs we end up with people who believe in keeping a law system, instead of following the leading of the Holy Ghost. I don't believe women need to wear veils, hats, or turbans, but that their long uncut hair is given them for a covering. I show them the word, and that is it. My job is done, I don't get in the pulpit and make them feel like garbage for an hour to guilt them into growing their hair. Jesus is their Father, and their pastor, and He works with everyone on a case to case basis. I have to stay out of His way, and allow Him to work supernaturally.

Beards? I have not one shred of evidence in the Bible to preach for them or against them. I myself had a beard longer than the steel wool growing on your chin. I shaved it off at a time in my life when I was making a life transition. Had nothing to do with Church because I wasn't anywhere close to being in church of any flavor. Still if a brother wants to shave clean, wear a suit, and a pair of Lucchese boots then who am I to tell him he needs to wear a burlap bag with flip flops? He will be more accepted and appealing to the eye, if he looked clean. Instead of walking around dressed in a burlap bag like he was an Old Testament prophet of doom.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Rev 3:1-5


1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I dont here this being taught much if ever. Our works must be perfect. Extreme? To Jesus he counts it as the norm!

Sounds like good instruction from Jesus Christ telling His church, encouraging them to strengthen that which is getting ready to die. Telling them that He hasn't found their fruits maturing, so Jesus encourages His people to hold fast, and that there are brothers who haven't defiled their garments. Jesus shows these brothers as an example of overcomers. Jesus tells His people that they also can get up and go forward and walk with Him in white. Meaning their garments can become clean again. Jesus' words are only for those who have an ear, and we as ministers, need to carry lots of Q-tips for those who don't. Because we want to see everyone walk in white with Jesus.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

My concern is for people who love God who are wanting to attend a Oneness Church....then find out the MAJORITY of them teach such absurdities that its sinful or "rebellious" for a man to wear a beard OR for a woman to trim her hair.

They are looking for something deeper in God and they get hit with such nonsense. THATS my concern.

I believe I answered you in my above post, but still don't think you answered me. What if a woman doesn't see wearing a veil as important? Do you allow Jesus to take care of it?