Does God Correct False Doctrine Through Gifts?

[RonMurray]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Has anyone experienced God correcting a church on false doctrine through tongues and interpretation? Both Trinitarian and Oneness churches exeperience the gifts, how come God isn't correcting them all on their false doctrines?

I've never heard an interpretation or prophesy that sounded like it was correcting false doctrine. The closest I have heard to confirming doctrine was an evangelist preaching Acts 2:38, baptism in Jesus name. At the end of his message there was tongues and interpretation that said essentially "My prophet speaks the truth to you today, why do you not obey?" But I've never heard one that was doctrinal, mostly just warnings and encouragements about following Him

From RonMurray:

That's an intetesting question. I've thought about that, too. It seems that God leaves it up to us to preach the truth, and then backs us up by His Spirit to confirm His word.

There are Pastors and churches of various denominations though that God has delt with and shown the truth. I even remember the story of Bishop Bonner of Solomon's Temple in Detroit back in the early 90's. He just passed away last year. It was actually one of the confirmations God had given me in answer to my prayer to let me know that it is the will of God for every believer to be baptized in the name of Jesus. I heard Bishop Bonner on the radio tell the story of the Pastor of the biggest Baptist church in Detroit who came to Him and said that God told Him to go there to be baptized in the name of Jesus. So he was baptized in the name of Jesus, and then received the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. But the sad part is that after that, the devil blinded him to speaking in tongues as the evidence or sign of receiving the Holy Spirit, and came back again and told Bonner that the only reason why he spoke in tongues wasn't because he needed to, but because Bonner told him that God would give it to him.

There are things in the Apostolic church that I wonder about and have prayed about, and wonder why God hadn't delt with the church about. But the Bible does say that there must also be heresies. Yeah, I just now remebered that, and revelation and understanding is coming to me now. So we must continue in the faith, preaching the truth, and praying for one another. These are the days spoken of in Daniel, that they who do know God will do great exploits.

The Lord bless you and keep you until the day of Christ, brother.

[mfblume]

The gifts are subject to the person pertaining them, and too susceptible to human tainting.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The gifts are subject to the person pertaining them, and too susceptible to human tainting.

"And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." (1 Cir 14:32)

So the gift of prophecy by the Spirit, just as is the gift of tongues and its
interpretation by the Spirit, is to be judged by the Office (Ministry) of the
Prophet. If the gift is subject by the "person", it is so only as it pertains to
the individual WITHHOLDING the gift, whether or not to speak or interpret!

The "tainting" would be in effect if there is no prophet (Ministry) to judge
its worthiness, or false prophets who would manipulate the interpretation:
or the Ministry is either ill-prepared or not sensitive to the Voice of the Lord.

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." (1 Cir 14:32)

So the gift of prophecy by the Spirit, just as is the gift of tongues and its
interpretation by the Spirit, is to be judged by the Office (Ministry) of the
Prophet. If the gift is subject by the "person", it is so only as it pertains to
the individual WITHHOLDING the gift, whether or not to speak or interpret!

The "tainting" would be in effect if there is no prophet (Ministry) to judge
its worthiness, or false prophets who would manipulate the interpretation:
or the Ministry is either ill-prepared or not sensitive to the Voice of the Lord.

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."

Where does the bible say a prophet judges the worthiness?

EVERYBODY judges the worthiness, not just prophets.

1 Corinthians 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and others should weigh carefully what is said.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Where does the bible say a prophet judges the worthiness?
EVERYBODY judges the worthiness, not just prophets.
1 Corinthians 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and others should weigh carefully what is said.

"...I speak unto you, fathers..."

When there is a prophesy in the Church, or speaking in
tongues with an interpretation, the children will also be
there listening, as well as the young men; that is, those
who are not quite as adept in discernment. Should we
allow them to leave in a state of confusion when there
is a discrepancy in interpretation? Are not those who
are mature in the faith able to quench any confusion?
And has not the Ministry been called out from among
the mature in the faith?

You seem to be implying that the "prophesy" is subject
only to the person that prophesies; well, it was more than
just implied. I am stating that if that were so, then that is
where any "tainting" and any manipulation may arise. Who
do you say are the "...spirits of the prophets...", if
they are not from the persons who are prophesying: then
the prophets to whom the prophesying and "spirits" are
subject, is to the Ministry. That is how everything should
done in order...

unless they are ill-prepared or insensitive.

[votivesoul]

The gifts of the Spirit are to edify and exhort and comfort.

To prophesy or interpret a tongue and take an entire assembly to task for a false doctrine is going to cause confusion, hurt feelings, outrage, and disorder, i.e. the exact opposite of the what the charismata are designed to do.

For correction, reproof, and rebuke, something else is needed entirely: the preaching of the Word and apologetics (2 Timothy 4:1-3).

Rarely does a person change a false understanding of God's Word in a moment, into a true understanding. It's usually a long development, as the Holy Spirit leads. Most people aren't automatically open-minded enough at first. These things take time.

God's got to soften us awhile before we're ready for Him to drop a bomb on us (for example: Godhead revelation, Gospel revelation, Endtime revelation, and etc.)

Something that's going to fundamentally shift our understanding of His Word forever (usually) can't be accomplished in a sixty second utterance, especially when we're not ready for it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"...I speak unto you, fathers..."

When there is a prophesy in the Church, or speaking in
tongues with an interpretation, the children will also be
there listening, as well as the young men; that is, those
who are not quite as adept in discernment. Should we
allow them to leave in a state of confusion when there
is a discrepancy in interpretation? Are not those who
are mature in the faith able to quench any confusion?
And has not the Ministry been called out from among
the mature in the faith?

You seem to be implying that the "prophesy" is subject
only to the person that prophesies; well, it was more than
just implied. I am stating that if that were so, then that is
where any "tainting" and any manipulation may arise. Who
do you say are the "...spirits of the prophets...", if
they are not from the persons who are prophesying: then
the prophets to whom the prophesying and "spirits" are
subject, is to the Ministry. That is how everything should
done in order...

unless they are ill-prepared or insensitive.

Of course others need to judge the prophecy. That is why I quoted that verse that states others judge. I was distinctly noting it is not the one prophesying alone. The reason I noted the one prophesying has the gift subject to the person is to indicate we cannot rely upon prophecies 100%, The word must coincide with what is prophesied. And others use the word to determine that.