Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

it is, but only because it is referring to him.

the name of God is holy only when it is exclusively referring to him, not when it refers to someone else.

A transliteration is an attempt to duplicate a name in another language, but it is hardly perfect because every language has its own sounds, syntax and grammar that are difficult to translate perfectly into another language.

you can have your original birth certificate or a copy and both of them are recognized as legitimate, but only one is the original, the other is just a copy, but it is not the original.

Bro, so it's a bad duplicate? How can it be sacred?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why didn't the apostles teach Greeks to use the Hebrew name????

The logical conclusion to all of this is that the New Testament wasn't preserved correctly. Therefore it was so Hellenized that it no longer presents its true Hebrew cultural meanings.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How did Nicodemus get named Nicodemus?

Anyone care to take a shot at the above question?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Nicodemous' Hebrew/Aramaic name is....?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Johanan Marcus known as John Mark has a Hebrew and Latin name? Why?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why didn't the apostles teach Greeks to use the Hebrew name????

Maybe they did, we just have no record of it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Maybe they did, we just have no record of it.

Well, if that's your answer, then I will disregard this non apostolic doctrine.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, if that's your answer, then I will disregard this non apostolic doctrine.

You do consider Paul an Apostle, don't you?

The Apostle Paul Spoke Hebrew and even Jesus spoke Hebrew that is in the Bible. so you are going to disregard this Apostolic doctrine?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You do consider Paul an Apostle, don't you?

The Apostle Paul Spoke Hebrew and even Jesus spoke Hebrew that is in the Bible. so you are going to disregard this Apostolic doctrine?

That non Hebrew speakers ought to use the Hebrew version of the name is a non apostolic doctrine, as you already admitted. Therefore, I no longer have any interest in this neo-cultic nonsense.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That non Hebrew speakers ought to use the Hebrew version of the name is a non apostolic doctrine, as you already admitted. Therefore, I no longer have any interest in this neo-cultic nonsense.

To be fair...

I don't speak Chinese but I have a friend from China named Yanyu. I don't call her Janey. So should I call her my English equivalent just because I don't speak Chinese?

So some people in the world who aren't Jews that don't speak Hebrew, or don't have Hebrew as their first language want to call the Lord by His Hebrew/Aramaic name?

I haven't seen anyone here claiming anyone MUST do so.

What I have seen is a conflation of those on this forum who call Jesus "Yeshua" and the extreme Sacred Name folks who make it a salvation issue by those who are arguing against the idea of advocating Jesus should be called Yeshua.

Even Jesus and Iesous are pretty far removed from each other (GEE-zus vs. Yay-sous), phonetically speaking. In fact, Iesous has much more in common with the Hebrew/Aramaic version than the English version.

The point being, the Son of God still responds to any and all of us who call upon Him or pray the Father in His name, without respect of persons or how each of us has chosen to address Him.

Besides, to say it's neo-cultic nonsense to call the Lord Yeshua likewise means, and especially so, that once upon a time, it was also neo-cultic nonsense to call Him Jesus, because that English equivalent has existed for far less of time than the name Yeshua.