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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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English translators have a responsibility to translate the text before them, which in the case of the NT is in Greek. There is no Hebrew manuscript speaking of Jesus of Nazareth using a Hebrew form of the name. So the right and honest thing to do is to translate IESOUS and other Greek names (like OSEE in Romans instead of Hoshea) into the target language.
Otherwise you have what the "sacred name bibles" do - they follow the JW lead and just insert their favorite Hebrew name into the Greek text and call it good.
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Ultimately, this discussion concludes with the New Testament just being a Hellenized translation.
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Ah, so that's where Cooper got it from. Interesting...
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Bill Cooper?
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04-19-2016, 08:33 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Three hundredth years ago she would be singing Iesus.  |
She be singing Jesus!
The name which cause demons to tremble.
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04-19-2016, 08:46 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Bill Cooper?
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Shortwave radio guy from the 90s, all about exposing masonic subversion of society, put out first video on Waco about 2 days after the event (I have an autographed vhs tape packed away somewhere), promoted the "Secret Service agent Greer fired finishing shot at JFK" aka "the driver shot JFK" theory, predicted 9-11 attacks and was then killed by LE officers shortly after 9-11.
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04-19-2016, 08:50 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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This picture speaks a thousand words.
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Yes, in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. 
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If everyone spoke and understood Greek and Hebrew was a dead language, how come Pilate wrote the accusation in three languages?
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Because trilingual messages were common in the ancient world. The most famous is the Rosetta Stone, which is written in Greek, Demotic, and Hieroglyphs. These were the common languages of Hellenized Egypt. But no one argues for hours whether or not Ptolemaic Egypt spoke Greek, as well as Demotic Egyptian. It is harder for Hebrew Onlyists to fathom that Jesus spoke Greek. How the Greek documents of the New Testament had to be originally penned in Greek, and that for them to be in Aramaic, would of been of little use to their DIASPORA Judean and Roman Gentile audiences. Jesus speaking to Peter in Matthew 16:18 would make no sense in Hebrew or Aramaic because it is a Greek play on words.
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The reason the accusation was written in three language was for the benefit of informing the whole population of the reason why he was crucified.
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The reason why any trilingual message was used in Ancient times was to show the popular COMMON languages of the people. Two of the languages were Gentile. Because the population was under Greek, Roman occupation for hundreds of years. The Middle East was so Hellenized and Romanized that they were basically Greeks in kipas. 
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If Jesus was being executed today it would make no sense to write his accusation in Latin, for it is a dead language which only a few college professors know.
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Professors, Italians, French, older Haitians, Portuguese, still taught Latin in school. Oh, and my daughters. Anyway, if He was crucified today?
He wasn't.
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Shortwave radio guy from the 90s, all about exposing masonic subversion of society, put out first video on Waco about 2 days after the event (I have an autographed vhs tape packed away somewhere), promoted the "Secret Service agent Greer fired finishing shot at JFK" aka "the driver shot JFK" theory, predicted 9-11 attacks and was then killed by LE officers shortly after 9-11.
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Yes I know that.
But what about the Xenophon quote?
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04-19-2016, 09:08 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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Yes I know that.
But what about the Xenophon quote?
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It was Cooper's signature line. I'm trying to find where Xenophon said it, he carries more weight than Bill does - in some parts, anyway.
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04-19-2016, 09:53 PM
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Re: Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)
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It was Cooper's signature line. I'm trying to find where Xenophon said it, he carries more weight than Bill does - in some parts, anyway.
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I'm looking myself so I can post it, but I can't find it? 
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