Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

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Originally Posted by MAC daddy

People usually play the "don't judge me" card because they're worried about what other people think of their actions.

They don't honestly care what God thinks. If they did, their actions would actually be different.

Playing the judge card often is a sign of unbelief meant to protect the user from realizing their fear of being disapproved of by humanity. God is very rarely actually in their thoughts.

I also find that recent accusations of judging are made completely apart from the actual points we are making when we are being accused. It's like the points we make are ignored, put out of mind, and the initial feeling of sensing condemnation and judgment is maintained after it originally came to a twisted version of the scriptures that makes them out to say it does not matter what we believe so long as we are sincere and seeking to do good. Whenever that misconception of our points (and actually the bible's points) are laid out, they're ignored, avoided and once again put out of mind, so the original misconception is maintained.

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But I insist the mindset and paradigm behind these recent accusations make the command of the Lord for us to be watchman completely impossible for us to fulfilled. This shows the dark counterfeit of truth exposed for what it really is.

Notice God gave words to the prophet to warn people in danger. God did not directly intend tell the people in danger themselves. He used a "watchman."

zek 3:16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

God gives warning to the watchman to give to others.

18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life;

God speaks to these others, but the watchman is the avenue of relating that message to them. It is the watchman's responsibility to relate that warning. This is where our recent critics twist the picture and claim nobody has the right to speak warning to others, but should heed warning for themselves. It's the concept that says none of us should warn anyone else of anything. The bible is allegedly supposed to be something we take for ourselves and ourselves only, and we're not meant to apply any of it to anyone other than ourselves.

the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Failure to warn others of the danger they're in leaves the watchman guilty for that other one's destruction and lost state of soul. But this is what the recent criticism accomplishes in the fate of the watchman. According to these critics, who insist we should not warn anyone else of the plight they're in since they believe that's not the nature of the bible, everyone who knows truth would be guilty for those whose souls are lost, for such criticism disables watchmen from performing this divine;y directed duty.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Again, keep in mind God is not directly talking to those in danger, but chose to speak to them with warning by way of these watchmen. That is simply a non-existent situation in the work of God in the minds of recent critics.

20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

In these interesting words, we almost get the sense that God lays stumblingblocks before sinners and demands that we are the means by which they are recovered. I';m not here to analyze that so much as the fact that the entire effort to give them warning is effectively cancelled and thrown to the wind by recent criticism that claims we set ourselves up as judges when we relate that warning, for only God can give them this warning. We find the actual intention of God is to warn others through us. God has given the judgment that they're in danger, and it is not the watchmen who are judges at all.

But critics here cry, "Don't judge me! You're judging me when you tell me I am in danger because of my beliefs. All you watchmen are self-admiring club members, who don't see the beam in your own eyes. You have no right to tell me I am in danger! I won't listen to anyone but God Himself. Stop judging me. LALALALALA, I plug my ears to your alleged warnings and cannot hear you! LALALALALA."

21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Here we find the will of God for the conclusion of the purpose of having watchmen.

This entire concept of taking God;'s word and giving warning to those whom it claims, not who the watchmen claims, is moot and void and effectively nullified to having no meaning nor place of existence in the recent criticism that we're hearing here.

So, again, how is the act of taking scriptures such as, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, and he that believeth not shall be damned," and telling people who won't believe (let alone are not baptized, for who would get baptized if they don't believe) that they're lost and will wind up damned to be the act of violating the will of God, when God gives us a concept as Ezekiel 3 relates?

Folks, don't heed these recent liberal-minded criticisms, that are more akin to the world's spirit right now as it claims homosexuality is not a sin and we actually hate them if we say it is. It's the same reasoning that says we cannot restrict men's restrooms to biologically born males or else we are hateful and judgmental. Just change the terms that end with the suffix phobe and phobic with judgementalism and you have the same spirit of modern nonsensical criticism of religion as a whole in the world that feels morality, as they define it, is not an issue any more. SAME SPIRIT!

[Esaias]

The Amalekites know their fate, they just want Israel to fuggeddaboudit.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

The Amalekites know their fate, they just want Israel to fuggeddaboudit.

I better not say amen, or else be accused of mutual-admiration. Ah well, another biblical statement obliterated.

[shazeep]

look, you are in mortal danger, and if you don't find Christ--the real one, that assures us "forgive, and you will be forgiven,"--then there is no hope for you. As you keep mentioning, we have a duty to our peers, who are not on the other side of the planet, but right here among us; so what would you have me do?

You will reap what you sow; which you demonstrate that you have no faith in when you go around saying that people you don't know, Mother Teresa, are doomed to hell. Now i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but you need help, and you have become so adept at deflecting that leading you to any of the numerous gordian knots that constitutes your beliefs doesn't seem to be working, which i guess also sounds mean or whatever but really, try answering a question for a change if you don't like it, or wear the shoe, i don't care.

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So, why again is Mother Teresa lost? And could you answer in a paragraph or less, without burying me in, well, you know, bull-puckey?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

look, you are in mortal danger, and if you don't find Christ--the real one, that assures us "forgive, and you will be forgiven,"--then there is no hope for you. As you keep mentioning, we have a duty to our peers, who are not on the other side of the planet, but right here among us; so what would you have me do?

No one here is saying we are not forgiving anyone. Where is that coming from? Unless you mean we should forgive them for disobeying the word of God and treat them like they're saved. But the bible says they're lost, not us.

You will reap what you sow; which you demonstrate that you have no faith in when you go around saying that people you don't know, Mother Teresa, are doomed to hell.

It's got nothing to do with whether we know these people or not. It has to do with whether or not they believe in their hearts, that only God can see, that the work of the cross grants us righteousness, and we cannot gain that without that death of Jesus.

Now i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but you need help, and you have become so adept at deflecting that leading you to any of the numerous gordian knots that constitutes your beliefs doesn't seem to be working, which i guess also sounds mean or whatever but really, try answering a question for a change if you don't like it, or wear the shoe, i don't care.

All that sounds good when you ignore actual biblical teachings about the entire gamut of salvation. But you run when we talk about that.

[shazeep]

i never ran anywhere, you just bored me to death, possibly. answer the question.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

So, why again is Mother Teresa lost? And could you answer in a paragraph or less, without burying me in, well, you know, bull-puckey?

I never said anything about her.

I do know the catholic church does not teach that the work of the cross makes us righteous in and of itself, before we lift a finger to do anything. I never said anything about Mother Theresa, though. It's not about individuals. It's about belief systems that deny the work of the cross toward righteousness.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i never ran anywhere, you just bored me to death, possibly. answer the question.

You always run when context of scripture is discussed. Who are you trying to kid?