Mark 16:9-20 & I John 5:7-8

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The idea that there are interpolations in the Bible doesn't bother me one bit. I worship and serve God, not the Bible.

At some point, as important as the Bible is to and for us, our experience and life belong to the Author, not the Book. ...

Does anyone else see this as a very dangerous way to think?

It seems dangerous enough to me bring from lurking to sounding the alarm!

The fact of the matter is this: the God and Savior that we have grown to love and and privileged to serve does not exist sans His Word.

The Bible is His Word.

With your logic, we can throw away the Bible! Abraham didn't need it-- we don't either! As long as we follow God...




Sounds just like the world!

"God and I have our own thing."
"God knows my heart."
"You can't judge me. Only God can judge me."
"The God of the universe is much bigger than any one book."

I fear that your thoughts as expressed are grave in their error.

So serious.

[Jermyn Davidson]

VS,
You can't express the thoughts you have expressed and still argue against soul-damning error.

You can make plain statements against soul-damning error, but your line of thinking grants legitimacy to the pagans and godless who worship the god that existed before the Bible and exists even now in their own deceived minds.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

We can have faith AND scholarship. If all of the oldest copies of the new testament do not contain the passage found in I John until 1500, we have to believe that passage was interpolated. The rest of scripture is unquestionable when using scholarship.

I understand what you are saying, but I would rather base my scholarship on the teachings of scripture and not on the validity of scripture.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

When you take 9 elements on each branch, with 6 branches, that makes 9X6=54.

The shaft is 12.

54 + 12 = 66. The precise number of the books of the Bible!

*While I would agree that the current books are sufficient, quick question:

*On what textual basis do you opt for multiplication (i.e., 9X6) regarding the elements of the branches, while simultaneously opting for addition (i.e., 54 + 12) regarding the shaft?

*Couldn't one just as easily reverse this mathematical preference & arrive at completely different concluding numbers?

[votivesoul]

I fail to see how my post makes anyone think I believe the Bible is useless or un-necessary to the Christian life. Either I didn't communicate my position properly, or I've been grossly misunderstood by some.

And yet, I note the following:

"Search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life..."

Jesus told them they were making a terrible presumption. He continued, "...and they are they which testify of me".

His point: The Scriptures exist to get you to Jesus. Jesus doesn't exist to get you to the Scriptures.

Eternal life is not in or from the Bible, but from the Author and Finisher of our faith. We can read the plan, see the history, make sense of the stories, and talk about the redemptive covenants of God as given in the Bible, but, as important as all of that is, at some point, an EXPERIENCE with God is what saves. Simply reading the Bible and believing it doesn't save you. Reading the Bible and believing it so that you can then kneel at the feet of Jesus Christ, and receive His Spirit and be washed by His blood, is what saves you.

[Praxeas]

http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkOne.htm

This guy makes good arguments for Mark 16...or rather against the opposition to it

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkOne.htm

Didn't you used to complain about people who would just post a link with no comments or statements, summaries, or anything?

[Scott Pitta]

A lot of ink has been spilled by smarter people than myself about the last chapter of Mark.

If we had more early manuscripts to compare, it would certainly clear up a few issues.

I could post links all day long, but that's not how I roll.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkOne.htm

This guy makes good arguments for Mark 16...or rather against the opposition to it

Essias, dunno. Stop whining. See my "comment"? It tells you what the link is about.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mfblume

God can use canonizers as much as Balaam's ass. The books are the books we should have.

Look carefully at the Tabernacle candlestick described in the bible. Each of the 6 branches had three knops, flowers and bowls (Ex 25:33). Each branch would therefore have 9 elements altogether. The centre shaft had four sets of knops, bowls and flowers (Ex. 25:34)! That makes 12 elements on the shaft.

When you take 9 elements on each branch, with 6 branches, that makes 9X6=54.

The shaft is 12.

54 + 12 = 66. The precise number of the books of the Bible!

Not only that, but the shaft and three branches makes 39 elements. The exact number of Old Testament books! The remaining three branches have 27 elements. The number of books in the New Testament.

Don't ever question if we have the right number of books in our bibles! It's no coincidence the candlestick lamps had 66 elements.

Psalm 119:105 KJV Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Except that the Hebrew "OT" is 22 books. One would think the Menorah would reflect that rather than our 39.