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Old 09-07-2016, 08:53 PM
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The garments, the very vesture of satan was made of precious stones. The pride of his beauty is what caused him to be self exalted. It has been his objective to place his beauty upon humanity. If he could put his beauty upon Gods temple it ceases to belong to God. The quest of the true sincere Saint is to press toward the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ. Not the lowly elements of this world, and all its pride and false beauty.

That's why any form of makeup is wrong to put on. That's why and form of jewelry is wrong to put on. That's why it's wrong for a man to dress like a woman, or a woman to dress in a mans garment. That's why it's wrong for a woman or a man to carry themselves flirtatious or loose, unbecoming of a Christian. Because it's false, it's artificial, it's of the devil, who has come to steal kill and destroy!

Come on preacher Name it!
It was God himself who put all those precious stones on Satan.

God himself is full of beauty, Jesus wears a Golden Sash which is a form of Jewelry.
The elders in heaven have crowns of Gold.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:56 PM
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Dis is the way those that refuse straight preaching, argue against Holiness.

They fight for liberty all the while entangling themselves deeper into the spiders web, a bondage to the things of this world.

Make no mistake abou-dit, all artificial ornamentation worn on da people's body or clothes or in the hair, reveals a lost or cold inward condition. What you wear speaks a language.

Holiness preaching, should promote the sanctity of the Christian life. The careful calculated steps of the Christian journey. The most ernest desire in da heart of da Saint to please God. To become more like him.

These guys detract from the topic, they try to divert sincere hunger for the things of God. All I was trying to do was to promote the quest to be more like Him by encouraging ministry to name ""every weight and the sin that doth so easily beset us.""

Notice, how some have tried to elevate the argument to the things the items that hold no value. To the Christian journeys. For instance there is no sin in jewels, gold or pearls, we know that. But these guys want to make us look ignorant, by provoking us to argue against. When all the while they know their wrong, it's Holiness or Hell
Dear Cracker Barrel

You are cracking up and are spouting a barrel of vitriol.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:59 PM
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And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
(Revelation 7:2-3 KJV)

So Christians can get crosses tattooed on their foreheads?
No crosses or tattoos of any kind are mentioned here.

You are not even grasping at straws but are creating your own straws.
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Old 09-07-2016, 09:01 PM
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And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
(Revelation 8:3-4 KJV)

We can burn incense in church as part of our prayer and worship, then? You agree with that?
What?, we burned incense in our church to make it smell pretty.
I guess we were wrong, could you care to tell us where in the scriptures does it tells us that burning incense is wrong?
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Bro. Cracker...or anyone...

Provide scripture in the NT that equates clothing with holiness? Thanks.
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1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
I don't think anyone here is making holiness only a matter of dress. Although, our dress has importance. I know the heart of a man is really the root of it all. We must seek an inward holiness that is manifest in all areas of our lives.
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What?, we burned incense in our church to make it smell pretty.
I guess we were wrong, could you care to tell us where in the scriptures does it tells us that burning incense is wrong?
You burn incense in your church as part of your worship?
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Old 09-07-2016, 10:33 PM
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Bro. Cracker...or anyone...

Provide scripture in the NT that equates clothing with holiness? Thanks.
Howdy!

Here you go..
Revelation 1:13
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle..
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So, having disposed of these specious arguments, let's get back to the original thought of the thread.

"How should holiness be preached in a pastoral setting?"

Thoughts as to "what is holiness, and how should it be presented?"
I present holiness first as a state of being imparted by God.

Holiness is not something you primarily do, it is something you primarily are, as God imparts it.

If God has given it, it cannot be taken away, except by Him.

Holiness begins and ends with the Holy Spirit. Those who have received the Spirit, and are walking in It, and are sowing to It, have had holiness imparted to them as a state of being.

Now, wherever they might be in that walking and sowing, might not be the same place as someone who has walked and sowed longer, but they aren't any less holy.

I've seen many newly born babes in Christ speaking in tongues as the water from their immersion, coupled with their tears, washes their eyeliner and mascara down their face.

They are holy to God, by impartation of the Holy Spirit. If they put that same makeup on the next day, they aren't any less holy unto God. But as they walk in the Spirit, and sow to the Spirit, as God brings conviction, as long as they are obeying what He puts in front of them to obey, each step of the way, they are walking in holiness.

Holiness then is about speech. God takes the tongue and submits it to His fire, and tames it. The heart that has been touched by the Holy Spirit will speak differently when it utters itself to the world.

So, I see holiness, first as an imparted status of being before God, and second, as a condition of the heart that manifests in how a person speaks. After that, the status and condition will lead to changes in regards to how they treat others. After how they begin to treat others changes the way God wants, holiness takes a deeper look inward, to make certain that nothing they say or do offends in any way.

This is where modesty, in my opinion, comes to play.

Modesty, I believe and teach, is only about other people. I can sing in tongues in the shower all I want and God doesn't care one bit. But when I am in public, modesty is the only appropriate response, to God, to my wife and family, and then to others, so that I am protected, while at the same time protecting the consciences of others.

I don't pretend to be some immaculate, handsome man. But neither I or my wife need any woman lusting after me for any reason. And so, I adorn myself in such a way as to not attract attention. My modesty is about making certain that no woman is inadvertently led to lust by how I appear.

As such, I feel it is the same with every believer. Their appearance is not about them. It's about not casting a stumbling-block before others.
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Howdy!

Here you go..
Revelation 1:13
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle..
Can't wear gold jewelry. Golden girdles are acceptable. Got it.
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Gold is an element, created by God. Jewels are stones, created by God. In Genesis, all that God created was and is good.

These things, by their nature, are not evil or wicked. Their use of them, however, as it pertains to us, can become evil or wicked, as our fallen state, and the law of sin, so easily corrupts us and causes us to justify any number of things.

Ever hear the stoner say "But God made the herb, man!"

Does this mean using marijuana is okay because God made it?

Gold and jewels have to be addressed in a similar fashion. Just because God made them doesn't mean they get an automatic pass.
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