Christians should NOT vote for Donal Trump

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by kenj

Until we have an election in which Jesus runs against the Devil, isn't voting for the lesser of two evils how ALL elections will be?

Far enough. Except this election cycle, I honestly can't tell which is which.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Constantine, Charlemagne, Louis, and others allowed plenty of freedom for the gospel. Howbeit Christianity never seems to thrive when the outward circumstances seem favorable? But in the opposite circumstances, we see true growth if not revival.

That's no excuse to not step up and influence what we can.

[Bowas]

We all know either Hillary or DT will be the next president. Not voting for either is something of a cop-out and actually empowers the greater of two evils, (as I've seen that phrase used).

In that we do know one of them will make it, when we lay down at night, who do you really want to win between the two.

That is the one you should vote for, and forget the "principled," not voting for either as they are both not good enough, as I am sure in most cases, that is just a vote cast knowing the person one voted for will give you the ability to say, "I didn't vote for him/her" and can then appear to take the high road.

I've gone through all that and voted 3rd party on more than one occasion for much the same reasons as I've seen on this thread, but it really doesn't help anyone and quite frankly, is a bit selfish.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Bowas

We all know either Hillary or DT will be the next president. Not voting for either is something of a cop-out and actually empowers the greater of two evils, (as I've seen that phrase used).

In that we do know one of them will make it, when we lay down at night, who do you really want to win between the two.

That is the one you should vote for, and forget the "principled," not voting for either as they are both not good enough, as I am sure in most cases, that is just a vote cast knowing the person one voted for will give you the ability to say, "I didn't vote for him/her" and can then appear to take the high road.

I've gone through all that and voted 3rd party on more than one occasion for much the same reasons as I've seen on this thread, but it really doesn't help anyone and quite frankly, is a bit selfish.

Bravo!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Bowas

We all know either Hillary or DT will be the next president. Not voting for either is something of a cop-out and actually empowers the greater of two evils, (as I've seen that phrase used).

In that we do know one of them will make it, when we lay down at night, who do you really want to win between the two.

That is the one you should vote for, and forget the "principled," not voting for either as they are both not good enough, as I am sure in most cases, that is just a vote cast knowing the person one voted for will give you the ability to say, "I didn't vote for him/her" and can then appear to take the high road.

I've gone through all that and voted 3rd party on more than one occasion for much the same reasons as I've seen on this thread, but it really doesn't help anyone and quite frankly, is a bit selfish.

Call me selfish....I voted today and wrote in a candidate.
I voted everything else too, and against a local proposition to allow alcohol sales within the city limits. I can feel at peace with this. If Trump wasn't such a disaster, I would have voted for him. He lost me in the republican primaries and never won me back. He only alienated me more by his obtuse profane conduct, lies, phony Christianity (see statement "The IRS is auditing me because I'm a Christian" and the famous "Two Corinthians" blunder), and all manner of shameful words and deeds, both from his past, but more concerning from the present. He has NO principles. NONE. And this has nothing to do with the Access Hollywood video, or Howard Stern show quotes. None of that was surprising, and my mind was made up long before that. In fact I can't understand why anyone would be. This is a man who referenced his privates in a presidential primary debate. And people are shocked by what he says in private? Pfft.

And yet this isn't a case of my guy didn't win so I refuse to vote. I like Gingrinch in 2012, but voted for Romney in the general. I didnt like the fact Romney was a liberal republucan, nor that he was a mormon. But he had principles, even if they were from a psuedo Christian group.

I voted McCain in 2008 (i think, honestly I dont remember if I voted or intended to but didn't make it). Prior to that I didnt pay attention to primaries but I did vote for Bush both times (gladly). And in 96 I was in high school. I've always voted for the GOP candidate, even when it was someone I didn't care for.

But I can't vote for Trump, the consequences be what they may. But all you guys ripping people who won't vote for Trump, remember 2 things:

1)my single vote won't matter, because he's alienated millions more, not only republican, but would be cross over dems, and most independents. He's going to lose so bad that the conscientious objectors vote wont even matter.

2)Even if he did win, he wouldn't do what he says. He has no principles, he is an uber megalomaniac, and no ally of Christianity, especially conservative red hot Bible preaching Christianity. If he won, all it would do is send the message that we will vote for anyone, and as the lines between democrat and republican candidate are blurred more than ever this year, so shall it ever be. It will be the end of political and moral conservatism as we know it. It's a good thing if Trump loses....NOT in the immediate future, but in the medium to long term.

The best thing for republicans and conservatives is such a landslide victory by Hillary, that it causes a reaction back to our core principles, and results in a big mid term win in 2018, and a much better GOP candidate in 2020.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Call me selfish....I voted today and wrote in a candidate.
I voted everything else too, and against a local proposition to allow alcohol sales within the city limits. I can feel at peace with this. If Trump wasn't such a disaster, I would have voted for him. He lost me in the republican primaries and never won me back. He only alienated me more by his obtuse profane conduct, lies, phony Christianity (see statement "The IRS is auditing me because I'm a Christian" and the famous "Two Corinthians" blunder), and all manner of shameful words and deeds, both from his past, but more concerning from the present. He has NO principles. NONE. And this has nothing to do with the Access Hollywood video, or Howard Stern show quotes. None of that was surprising, and my mind was made up long before that. In fact I can't understand why anyone would be. This is a man who referenced his privates in a presidential primary debate. And people are shocked by what he says in private? Pfft.

And yet this isn't a case of my guy didn't win so I refuse to vote. I like Gingrinch in 2012, but voted for Romney in the general. I didnt like the fact Romney was a liberal republucan, nor that he was a mormon. But he had principles, even if they were from a psuedo Christian group.

I voted McCain in 2008 (i think, honestly I dont remember if I voted or intended to but didn't make it). Prior to that I didnt pay attention to primaries but I did vote for Bush both times (gladly). And in 96 I was in high school. I've always voted for the GOP candidate, even when it was someone I didn't care for.

But I can't vote for Trump, the consequences be what they may. But all you guys ripping people who won't vote for Trump, remember 2 things:

1)my single vote won't matter, because he's alienated millions more, not only republican, but would be cross over dems, and most independents. He's going to lose so bad that the conscientious objectors vote wont even matter.

2)Even if he did win, he wouldn't do what he says. He has no principles, he is an uber megalomaniac, and no ally of Christianity, especially conservative red hot Bible preaching Christianity. If he won, all it would do is send the message that we will vote for anyone, and as the lines between democrat and republican candidate are blurred more than ever this year, so shall it ever be. It will be the end of political and moral conservatism as we know it. It's a good thing if Trump loses....NOT in the immediate future, but in the medium to long term.

The best thing for republicans and conservatives is such a landslide victory by Hillary, that it causes a reaction back to our core principles, and results in a big mid term win in 2018, and a much better GOP candidate in 2020.

[Scott Pitta]

Good post, Jito463.

I refuse to vote for DT for a variety of reasons.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Call me selfish....I voted today and wrote in a candidate.
I voted everything else too, and against a local proposition to allow alcohol sales within the city limits. I can feel at peace with this. If Trump wasn't such a disaster, I would have voted for him. He lost me in the republican primaries and never won me back. He only alienated me more by his obtuse profane conduct, lies, phony Christianity (see statement "The IRS is auditing me because I'm a Christian" and the famous "Two Corinthians" blunder), and all manner of shameful words and deeds, both from his past, but more concerning from the present. He has NO principles. NONE. And this has nothing to do with the Access Hollywood video, or Howard Stern show quotes. None of that was surprising, and my mind was made up long before that. In fact I can't understand why anyone would be. This is a man who referenced his privates in a presidential primary debate. And people are shocked by what he says in private? Pfft.

And yet this isn't a case of my guy didn't win so I refuse to vote. I like Gingrinch in 2012, but voted for Romney in the general. I didnt like the fact Romney was a liberal republucan, nor that he was a mormon. But he had principles, even if they were from a psuedo Christian group.

I voted McCain in 2008 (i think, honestly I dont remember if I voted or intended to but didn't make it). Prior to that I didnt pay attention to primaries but I did vote for Bush both times (gladly). And in 96 I was in high school. I've always voted for the GOP candidate, even when it was someone I didn't care for.

But I can't vote for Trump, the consequences be what they may. But all you guys ripping people who won't vote for Trump, remember 2 things:

1)my single vote won't matter, because he's alienated millions more, not only republican, but would be cross over dems, and most independents. He's going to lose so bad that the conscientious objectors vote wont even matter.

2)Even if he did win, he wouldn't do what he says. He has no principles, he is an uber megalomaniac, and no ally of Christianity, especially conservative red hot Bible preaching Christianity. If he won, all it would do is send the message that we will vote for anyone, and as the lines between democrat and republican candidate are blurred more than ever this year, so shall it ever be. It will be the end of political and moral conservatism as we know it. It's a good thing if Trump loses....NOT in the immediate future, but in the medium to long term.

The best thing for republicans and conservatives is such a landslide victory by Hillary, that it causes a reaction back to our core principles, and results in a big mid term win in 2018, and a much better GOP candidate in 2020.

So you prefer Hillary, as you have just indirectly voted for her to be president. You are not alone.

Here's another way of putting it in perspective. Let's say the vote for the two, DT and Hillary was exactly tied and only you have yet to cast your ballot, so it was all riding in your one last vote, and there was not option for 3rd party or write-in.

Who would you put in as president?

That is who one should vote for.

Remember, George W Bush got in by ONE vote over Al Gore.

[Dante]

When Hillary Clinton wins the election, and she will win, are you all willing to accept it as God's will? Are you willing to accept it that He has appointed her, chosen and selected her to rule the United States for such a time as this?

And when she wins by the sovereignty of God, will you uphold her in prayer as God's anointed ruler?

[Scott Pitta]