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[Jito463]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

All of these examples, and more, are just as perverse and unnatural same sex attractions.

Uh, nobody that I saw was arguing there weren't perversions between heterosexuals, it doesn't negate that the Bible explicitly calls out homosexuality as unnatural, and an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

[Cracker Barrel]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

good grief. Seems like lots of homos over here?

Oh My
This made me laugh till it hurt!!!!

[n david]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

All of these examples, and more, are just as perverse and unnatural same sex attractions.

Perverted, yes. Unnatural, no, since male and females are naturally attracted to one another.

Again, you cannot scripturally equate natural heterosexual attraction with that of unnatural homosexual attraction. Regardless if there is lust or action or just simple attraction. It is unnatural and sinful.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

This brings up an interesting point that I have often wondered myself. Why is it that the effeminate spirit shows up so often in music leaders?

Brief explanation... Music is very emotional. Soulish. And men who have a homosexual tendency are given to more emotion than usual. There's more to it. But I think this is the nutshell version of the matter.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by n david

Perverted, yes. Unnatural, no, since male and females are naturally attracted to one another.

Again, you cannot scripturally equate natural heterosexual attraction with that of unnatural homosexual attraction. Regardless if there is lust or action or just simple attraction. It is unnatural and sinful.

Natural that a man should want to rape his sister? Natural that a son would bed his father's concubines on the rooftop of the royal palace for every eye in Jerusalem to see after usurping the throne? Natural that a young man would fornicate with his stepmom? Natural that a man would commit incest and impregnate his own mother?

Just because it is natural and normative for men to be attracted to women, and vice versa, does not mean that all forms of attraction between the sexes are natural.

Paul wrote in Romans 1 that women gave up the natural use of their bodies, a sure reference to sodomy committed against them by men. It is not natural or normal for a man to want to sodomize a woman, even though it is natural for a man and woman to be attracted to each other sexually.

The fact is, the reason these lusts and sins exist is due to the law of sin within each one of us. To sit here and say that one person's lusts and sins are more natural than others is a cop out, in my opinion, and causes unjust judgment against those we think are more "unnatural" in their lusts and sins than others.

See, the ideal situation, the utopia of righteousness in this life, is that no heterosexual man would be lustfully attracted to any woman in order to sin with her.

And in the resurrection, when corruption puts on incorruption, that ideal will be permanently realized. So, I submit to one and all that there is no difference between any kind of sexual lust and sin. All are damning. All destroy the soul. All eat away at and mar the image of God created in us. All will be judged by the Most High.

There won't be a different line into hell for unrepentant, but no less, "lesser" heterosexual sinners. That's just not the case anywhere in Holy Scripture. Anyone involved in any kind of sexual lust and sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

And what of Sodom and Gomorrah? You cannot bury your head in the sand and ignore how God dealt with the sin that had taken over these two cities.



There have always been freaks of nature, however even with all that, there is still no definitive conclusion that one is born with a desire for the same sex. I personally believe it is a spirit of perversion that one gives into at some point in their life.

But one thing we do know is this. The way God dealt with a city full of homose*uals lets us know quite plainly, just how He feels about that sin.

(I use * in certain words so as to not draw in computer bots looking for those words)

See the emboldened part of the above quotation. Sis, I am surprised and disheartened to see you call another human being a "freak of nature", just because they were born with a different form or abnormality due to whatever flaw existed in their parent's DNA.

They were created by the LORD God, and are just as fearfully and wonderfully made as any other human. God is the cause of how they were shaped in their mother's womb. Is God in the habit of making freaks, in the derogatory, pejorative sense of the word?

In my opinion, I think not.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

See the emboldened part of the above quotation. Sis, I am surprised and disheartened to see you call another human being a "freak of nature", just because they were born with a different form or abnormality due to whatever flaw existed in their parent's DNA.

They were created by the LORD God, and are just as fearfully and wonderfully made as any other human. God is the cause of how they were shaped in their mother's womb. Is God in the habit of making freaks, in the derogatory, pejorative sense of the word?

In my opinion, I think not.

Excuse me, but are you saying that Homosexuals are born Homosexuals?

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excuse me, but are you saying that Homosexuals are born Homosexuals?

NO EB, he is talking about hermaphroditism, follow the thread.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

And what of Sodom and Gomorrah? You cannot bury your head in the sand and ignore how God dealt with the sin that had taken over these two cities.

There have always been freaks of nature, however even with all that, there is still no definitive conclusion that one is born with a desire for the same sex. I personally believe it is a spirit of perversion that one gives into at some point in their life.

But one thing we do know is this. The way God dealt with a city full of homose*uals lets us know quite plainly, just how He feels about that sin.

(I use * in certain words so as to not draw in computer bots looking for those words)

Again I ask from what scripture do you determine the city was full of homos?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

See the emboldened part of the above quotation. Sis, I am surprised and disheartened to see you call another human being a "freak of nature", just because they were born with a different form or abnormality due to whatever flaw existed in their parent's DNA.

They were created by the LORD God, and are just as fearfully and wonderfully made as any other human. God is the cause of how they were shaped in their mother's womb. Is God in the habit of making freaks, in the derogatory, pejorative sense of the word?

In my opinion, I think not.

I concur too many can only think from the point of view that they have been given by others. "if the pastor says the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality, then it must have been". Regardless as to the fact that the meaning of the word Sodom in Hebrew has nothing to do with sex.