UPCI Mega Churches???

[n david]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Natural that a man should want to rape his sister? Natural that a son would bed his father's concubines on the rooftop of the royal palace for every eye in Jerusalem to see after usurping the throne? Natural that a young man would fornicate with his stepmom? Natural that a man would commit incest and impregnate his own mother?

Just because it is natural and normative for men to be attracted to women, and vice versa, does not mean that all forms of attraction between the sexes are natural.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. The examples you gave were perverted. It's perversion which caused Amnon to rape Tamar. It was perversion which caused Lot's daughters to have sex with him. It was perversion which caused incest in the Bible. I would agree perversion is not natural.

I should have separated the issue, instead of combining in the same sentence.

It is natural for a man to be attracted to a woman.

It is not natural for a man to be attracted to a man. Period. It doesn't matter if he holds the attraction inside and doesn't act on it. It is unnatural according to the Bible and it is sin.

You cannot equate the natural attraction between a man and woman to that of the same sex.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

There won't be a different line into hell for unrepentant, but no less, "lesser" heterosexual sinners. That's just not the case anywhere in Holy Scripture. Anyone involved in any kind of sexual lust and sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Agreed. Lust is sin. Any man/woman who lusts after another man/woman is in sin. Our disagreement in that you believe it's okay for a man to be attracted to another man. It is not. The bible is clearly against it. It's sin, regardless of whether the homosexual acts on his attraction or not.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

See the emboldened part of the above quotation. Sis, I am surprised and disheartened to see you call another human being a "freak of nature", just because they were born with a different form or abnormality due to whatever flaw existed in their parent's DNA.

They were created by the LORD God, and are just as fearfully and wonderfully made as any other human. God is the cause of how they were shaped in their mother's womb. Is God in the habit of making freaks, in the derogatory, pejorative sense of the word?

In my opinion, I think not.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/freak-of-nature

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a person or animal that is born or grows with abnormal physical features.
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I didn't make that term up Votive.

The term "freak of nature" is simply a way of describing someone born with abnormal physical features, whatever they may be, and not necessarily se*ual.

And I agree with you that we are all created by the Lord.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Brief explanation... Music is very emotional. Soulish. And men who have a homosexual tendency are given to more emotion than usual. There's more to it. But I think this is the nutshell version of the matter.

I have often thought that myself, but have never really verbalized that thought, or heard it discussed.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

So, I submit to one and all that there is no difference between any kind of sexual lust and sin. All are damning. All destroy the soul. All eat away at and mar the image of God created in us. All will be judged by the Most High.

There won't be a different line into hell for unrepentant, but no less, "lesser" heterosexual sinners. That's just not the case anywhere in Holy Scripture. Anyone involved in any kind of sexual lust and sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In God's eyes, all sin is sin. Period. Unrepentant sin of any kind will not be tolerated by the Lord.

However, there are consequences of sins that involve acting on se*ual lust of any kind. The consequence of one acting on se*ual lust involves consequences. God forgives, but consequences still follow the sin, as we see in the case of King David.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Again I ask from what scripture do you determine the city was full of homos?

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I concur too many can only think from the point of view that they have been given by others. "if the pastor says the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality, then it must have been". Regardless as to the fact that the meaning of the word Sodom in Hebrew has nothing to do with sex.

How about, when Lot offered his daughters to the crowd, they still demanded the two men (angels). It's not just about the name Sodom. There is much evidence that the city was filled with homos.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Again I ask from what scripture do you determine the city was full of homos?

You're kidding, right?

Man, this forum is Bizarro world.

Mixelplix!

[aegsm76]

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Not defending homosexuals but you misquoted the scripture. It does not say ALL the men but it does say ALL the people.

[Scott Pitta]

Back to the subject at hand.

I was part of a mega church when I lived in Stockton. I much prefer a church with around 100 member in it. But that is just me