My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodology

[BrainWashed]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The accusation of Trollster wasn't unwarranted.

The individual uses the nick BRAINWASHED?

Then we receive the "my pastor is in it for the money" Bible study?

Seriously?

So, after I called this person a troll, I then get "what great substance you have to offer?"

You want some substance BW? Here let me help you out. Number one give this thread to your pastor. Let him know that you have taken your show on the road. Have a nice discussion with him, tell him goodbye, and then start your own congregation. Hey, we now know you can do it better than anyone. Because after all these years on these forums I learned that people who start these sorts of threads are experts on how to git'er done. Far be it from me to correct such a scholar from the holler. I bet people just sit like hungry birds with their mouths wide open for you when you are teaching and counseling people out in the parking lot. No, you go forward and show this entire thread to your pastor.

Then get some chairs, take your Bible, and show everyone how to do it.

I've discussed it with him. The answers are "I'll get back to you" and he never does.

If I teach something over the pulpit, I'm prepared to give you answer backed by scripture any day you want and twice on Tuesday. Too bad there aren't more people like me.

[BrainWashed]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope.

Simple logic.....Perhaps it's because a pastor always preaches on the subject?

Again, if you preach something behind a pulpit, you better have scripture to back up your sermon. Don't use scriptures out of context. Doing to only shows your lack of knowledge and understanding.

[BrainWashed]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Dude I totally get that.

I also get how frustrating it is to believe everything you are told and then find out that they were wrong about things.

It's a horrible letdown.

Yes yes I know it's our fault for putting a man on a pedestal....But we didn't do that did we?

In many cases the man was already on the pedestal when we showed up and we didn't know any different so we just fell in line like everybody else.

We searched through scripture not trying to disprove a pastor out of carnality but because we were trying to understand and then we discovered something called context.

We keep digging because we have been told that we have truth so what is there to fear?

So there is some anger and confusion...You begin to wonder if anyone else knows...Will you be targeted if you speak up?

I didn't have one of those nice touchy feely pastors...I had a hardcore ex town drunk...The kind of guy you were afraid of for good reason...So you just kept your mouth shut out of fear.

Is he coming across kinda rough? Maybe a bit.

So here's my advice to the OP.

I'm sure your pastor is preaching what he believes and what he was taught with no ulterior motives. Maybe or maybe not but that's what I'm choosing to believe.

The Bible has a TON of different things and very few people agree 100% on them.

Be mature and see it as one of those things.

Pray that God will speak to him about what you are seeing.

Don't cause discord or try to recruit people on a "anti pastor crusade" because I guarantee you that if they up and leave and follow you they will leave you just as quick over something THEY don't agree with you about.

Don't just take things at face value....Study them for yourself.

You are not a hammer...Everything that pops its head up doesn't need to be wacked.

Instead of getting worked up over things such as tithing why don't you work on obeying the things that ARE clearly spelled out for believers to be doing.

Heal the sick,raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devil's.

That's way more fun and productive than debating about tithing.

No one will ever come to the knowledge of the saving,healing delivering power of Christ by debating church policy.

Ultimately it's a distraction...If the enemy can get you focused on this instead of obeying Christ, he has you beat because no matter how well you can argue against tithes if you aren't obeying Christ you are in disobedience and in sin which means the enemy has taken you out of play.

I'm not being harsh or hateful bro and neither are the above posters. We don't agree on everything...We just want to help and we want you to be fighting the right enemy and the right enemy isn't your pastor...Our enemy is not flesh and blood....

Jedi,

I was just irritated a little because I've been waiting 5 months now for answers to my tithing questions, and every time I receive the same answer..."I'll get them for you." Yet, after 5 months, you get up and preach a sermon on tithing and have yet to address my questions. I'm sure that would irritate anyone.

[Amanah]

BW, check out this thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=12984

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Evan Ben,

How about you address my comments. I would love to read your explanation.

No you wouldn't love to read anything which contradicts you.

You just need to do as you have done your whole life.

Think your important, hope other people think your important.

Christianity isn't your cup of tea?

Ok, it isn't a cup of tea for a lot of people. But instead of of leaving it and making up their own religion, they become obnoxious. they stay in Christianity and annoy everyone around them. The first guy to get a busted lip is the man in the pulpit. If he ever turned around on the platform everyone could get a good look at the daggers sticking out of his back. We always get to read the threads about "My Pastor lights his cigars with my tithe dollar" But we never get to hear the pastor's side of the story? Listen, be a good chap, and get your pastor over here. I want to hear what he has to say, I want to hear his views on his preaching. I'm just getting one side of the story from you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Jedi,

I was just irritated a little because I've been waiting 5 months now for answers to my tithing questions, and every time I receive the same answer..."I'll get them for you." Yet, after 5 months, you get up and preach a sermon on tithing and have yet to address my questions. I'm sure that would irritate anyone.

You're irritated?

5 month wait to get an answer?

Preached from the pulpit?

Seriously!

Hoss, I do believe tithing is the least of the issues.

Listen, you want the pastor to respond to you? Just show him this thread.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

I've discussed it with him. The answers are "I'll get back to you" and he never does.

If I teach something over the pulpit, I'm prepared to give you answer backed by scripture any day you want and twice on Tuesday.

Too bad there aren't more people like me.

I rest my case.

[The Lemon]

Bottom line:

It does NOT matter what the topic is - Tithing, Standards, Attendance, or a any of hundreds of different doctrinal subjects - two things you must answer for yourself:

1. Am I in the perfect will of God attending this Church under the current leadership

2. If the answer is yes - then you MUST obey and submit to authority, EVEN if they are wrong on a subject - you are not called to correct the pastor, and certainly not to cause division in that local body.

If you have an issue - take it to him/them in a respectful and humble way - in the meantime, while you wait for answers, submit and cooperate - if you rebel, God will not bless that...period!

Of course, if you just can't deal with it, find another Church / leader that you can submit to and serve under. You will never agree on every practice or doctrine, but God blesses order and structure - He is a God of principles and patterns.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Bottom line:

It does NOT matter what the topic is - Tithing, Standards, Attendance, or a any of hundreds of different doctrinal subjects - two things you must answer for yourself:

1. Am I in the perfect will of God attending this Church under the current leadership

2. If the answer is yes - then you MUST obey and submit to authority, EVEN if they are wrong on a subject - you are not called to correct the pastor, and certainly not to cause division in that local body.

If you have an issue - take it to him/them in a respectful and humble way - in the meantime, while you wait for answers, submit and cooperate - if you rebel, God will not bless that...period!

Of course, if you just can't deal with it, find another Church / leader that you can submit to and serve under. You will never agree on every practice or doctrine, but God blesses order and structure - He is a God of principles and patterns.

[consapente89]

To the OP....I'm not sure if you attend my church or not, but if you do...I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable at the church across town. Ya need a letter to take with ya?!