It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager

Are you calling me a fake?

Hugs Emma

[n david]

You should probably seek medical attention.

[Emma Bontrager]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Hugs Emma

Hugs back, Amanah!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Romans gives the reason for Homosexuality, see below

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

THREE QUESTIONS

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people have homosexual temptations?

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people commit homosexual acts?

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people are immersed in the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

THREE QUESTIONS

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people have homosexual temptations?

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people commit homosexual acts?

Does anyone think that this scripture addresses the ONLY reason why some people are immersed in the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality?

so you think it's because women wear pants?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Romans gives the reason for Homosexuality, see below

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness...

24 Therefore God gave them up...

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions...

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done...

The Word of God is ALWAYS true so never would I intentionally contradict the Word of God with accounts of my subjective personal experiences.

So, I want to address these scriptures. As a teen, I was familiar with these scriptures and honestly, they added to my fear, my dread, and ultimately, was used either by my own mind or by satan to bring a sense of CERTAIN HOPELESSNESS-- especially when my deliverance did not come after I did all that I knew to do.

The "God gave them up" phrase to me meant that God has simply given up on the people described in these verses. I NEVER, EVER wanted God to give up on me, but if I could talk to you about the utter hopelessness involved in all I went through...

How are some people supposed to not be hopeless when reading this scripture?

Is there a way to interpret this scripture in a way that does not minimize sin but does not take away all hope for the soul that is ensnared in the sins related to and detailed in the scriptures above?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Amanah

so you think it's because women wear pants?

Not solely, but there is a school of thought that says that homosexuality occurs in boys in homes where the mother is domineering and the father is passive.

Any personal anecdotes that I would be intimately familiar with defy this school of thought but there are some psychoanalysts and social scientists who tend to see a pattern here.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Word of God is ALWAYS true so never would I intentionally contradict the Word of God with accounts of my subjective personal experiences.

So, I want to address these scriptures. As a teen, I was familiar with these scriptures and honestly, they added to my fear, my dread, and ultimately, was used either by my own mind or by satan to bring a sense of CERTAIN HOPELESSNESS-- especially when my deliverance did not come after I did all that I knew to do.

The "God gave them up" phrase to me meant that God has simply given up on the people described in these verses. I NEVER, EVER wanted God to give up on me, but if I could talk to you about the utter hopelessness involved in all I went through...

How are some people supposed to not be hopeless when reading this scripture?

Is there a way to interpret this scripture in a way that does not minimize sin but does not take away all hope for the soul that is ensnared in the sins related to and detailed in the scriptures above.

dearest brother, I used that passage only because It was the only one I could think of on the subject. I take it to mean that when people reject God, he allows them to reap the consequences, but when people accept God's help he nurture's them as a loving Father.

The bible also says A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench (Is 42:3) meaning that he will not abandon us even when we are most feebly reaching for his help.

JD, God will never give up on you

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Amanah

dearest brother, I used that passage only because It was the only one I could think of on the subject. I take it to mean that when people reject God, he allows them to reap the consequences, but when people accept God's help he nurture's them as a loving Father.

The bible also says A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench (Is 42:3) meaning that he will not abandon us even when we are most feebly reaching for his help.

JD, God will never give up on you

However, the verses here SEEM to indicate a God who indeed does give up on some people.

Then you have Pharoah. Then you have Esau.

But before I go any further, I DO NOT feel that same sense of hopelessness today concerning my past. There is no need to walk on eggshells, but it is never appropriate to be arrogant or rude either.

I have asked what I have asked in order to spur thought and dialogue on this subject.

Want to be a relevant Christian?

Have a word, based on the Word, that lifts up and encourages the broken WITHOUT minimizing sin.

So can we use the first chapter of Romans in a way that lifts up and encourages the broken WITHOUT minimizing sin?

Is Romans 1 an edict of utter hopelessness?

[Jermyn Davidson]

I am not hopeless.
I know I am not hopeless.
I am feeling fine today-- I ate my Wheaties!



I do want to discuss this subject in light of the verses in Romans 1 mentioned by our sister.