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[n david]

Originally Posted by madras

She's wearing a man's garment. My coat. It's a serious question.
If the argument is that women's pants are a man's garment because of
the cut, then does it not apply to the cut of a coat, and shirt/blouse?
It would make sense if women wore dresses all the time for the skirt
would cause a violation of Deuteronomy 22:5 due to the blouse being
cut like a man's shirt.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

I'm having trouble imagining this is really a serious question.

Did you give her your coat to wear every day? The answer, per your scenario, is no.

Applesauce and horseradish.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Amanah

did you give her your pants too?

As long as she's not wearing boy shorts under that skirt . . .

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Good points.

Consider the economy. Most will tell you that for the average middle class home, both must work to make ends meet. Our entire economy has become so money hungry people have to even work weekends in most businesses. That cuts into their church attendance. I say this because many women I know work because they have to, not because they want to.

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

P

I take home roughly $2,000 a month. My rent is $790 alone. Add on utilities (electric, gas, water), a car payment, insurance, cell phone bill, and student loan payment, and I'm left with around $35 to $40 (on average) to get by on for two weeks. That means I have to make roughly $40 dollars cover gas money to get back and forth to work, child care, groceries, auto maintenance, any needs the kids might have, toiletries, etc.

Frankly, we'd sink without a second income. Because gas money alone is roughly $40 a week.

Oh, and we have only one vehicle.

People say, "Why don't you move? That rent is too expensive." Well, I could move, but I'd only save $200 bucks, and my kids would grow up in a meth infested neighborhood with gunshots going off all ours of the day and night.

So, the little lady works part time (almost full time). I pay the bills, and I cover my gas money. She pays for living expenses. Her job is within a mile and a half of our home, so she often walks or catches the bus.

The kids go to school, so during the school year they stay with a sitter for a little over two hours until one of us is home. That's only missing two hours a day with us. They do their homework during this time and play outside. So, they're basically doing what they'd be doing even if they were at home with us. So, no serious time lost.

[n david]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

P

Bingo.

I'm the sole income earner for a family of five. I looked at my income last year (2016) and my actual take home amount was barely $25K. I don't have cable tv or a car loan or a bunch of extras. We don't eat out except for special occasions. We frequent the farmers market for incredible deals on fruits and veggies. We don't live in the nice area or in an apartment complex with all the amenities. We live in a 2 bd duplex in a minority neighborhood where rent is $579/mo. We've been there three years, and unfortunately we're going to have to find a larger home soon, because the twins are two years old and getting bigger and our soon-to-be eight year old is needing her own room.

I grew up in a family of six. My parents made less than $20K a year. Home was paid by the time I was born. There was no internet until dial-up AOL came later on. We never went without food or clothes. I used to hate it because my parents bought our clothes at the Salvation Army thrift store or the local Disabled American Veteran's thrift store.

People can get by for less, but most of the time they're subscribed to a bunch of extras or eat out too much or just live beyond their means.

[good samaritan]

I understand how far gone we are as a nation and I don't know how this country can pull it back together. I have children as well and I know how hard it is. I am below average in my income and provide the only income in my family. Our family makes many sacrifices, but you know my children don't even know they are sacrificing. They are happy kids even though they are not as privileged as many others.

IMO, kids aren't on drugs because of the neighborhood they grow up in. I personally feel that we are more likely to lose our children because of our absence in their lives. The ghetto's are not ghetto's because of their location, but it is because of the many homes without a father and a mother. A lot of the wrong side of town neighborhoods is due to missing fathers and struggling mothers.

BTW, I am not suggesting for women to quit their jobs and cause their family to go into bankruptcy. I do suggest that people look for a way to manage with less so that mom can be the keeper of the home that God intends.

Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually, many do. Catholics and Orthodox believe in baptismal regeneration. In addition certain, Church's of Christ believe baptism remits sin.

Than you for PROVING that Trinitarians argue about Acts 2:38


Or do they believe that baptism is so important it isn't worth the argument over a formula?

Perhaps you have never heard a Trinitarian say baptism is just an outward expression of an inward change?

I will prove that there is indeed room for debate. Watch this, watch it closely...

Can ANYONE provide a Scripture wherein the actual words (or formula) spoken by an Apostle are clearly stated as they baptize a believer?

3...2...1... GO!

Thanks for proving my point...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, because it was women working in factories on the home front that brought pants and work-shirts into women's attire. It also opened the door for the idea of the "working woman" and thereby the need for more professional attire and suits.

Personally, I find it a little petty that preachers were standing behind their pretty pulpits condemning women who were engaged in supporting the war effort over pants... while their husbands were away fighting to prevent the Axis Powers from gaining global hegemony. I guess these cats had nothing better to do seeing that the real men were out on the battlefield.

There is nothing "petty" about taking a stand on God's word... Regardless of the hecklers then and now.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Can anyone provide biblical evidence of godly women wearing a bifurcated garment?

Thank you.

Still waiting...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Still waiting...

It's not there, but men wearing skirts is.