It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Like I said, whether a person thinks they were born with homosexual tendencies or not is a moot issue.

We all must be born again.

How would conceding that a person is born in sin and shaped in iniquity somehow invalidate the Gospel of Christ that leads lost souls to salvation?

It doesn't.

Every one of has inherent sinful tendencies in our flesh. Some are unique to us, some were passed down through our ancestors, going all the way back to Adam.

The only solution is to be born again of the Spirit. When the inner man is empowered by becoming one spirit with the Lord through the Holy Spirit, one partakes in the divine nature. It is here that the power to overcome the flesh is found. It is also here that any healing for the flesh is found. With our inner man regenerated and our minds renewed through study and meditation upon the word, we can overcome many of these proclivities. And should we be saddled with an infirmity from our fathers, we can experience healing.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Let me ask you this question?

Then if a person is born with certain tendencies? In this case homosexuality? Then explain how people are born with a tendency to dress in leather, and spikes? This is a serious question. People aren't born with the tendency towards any sort of particular behavior. No one is born with the tendency hate black people or white people. You have to be taught to hate those who are different than you. We grow up being taught to fear certain groups, to hate certain groups, and to believe in certain things. If you were born in a remote section of India you would have a totally different world view than you do now.

So, are people born to wear leather and spikes?

I'd say that some could be born with the biochemical proclivity to experience pleasure through pain and insult. It can range from one wanting one's hair pulled, to wanting to be choked, to be called bad names, or to be slapped around. For some reason, these things produce the biochemical response that leads to orgasm.

However, regardless of the biological and psychological aspects of something like this, the style and subculture that you refer to only attracts the individuals who already innately find this experience fulfilling.

[Aquila]

The science of epigenetics is finding evidence that points to the distinct possibility that we are not born with a clean slate. The experiences of our ancestors and parents may very well be passed down to us through our DNA.

For example, scientists took lab rats and decided to shock them every time they released the fragrance of cherry blossoms into the cage. This conditioned these rats to associate the smell of cherry blossoms with fear and pain. So, every time they released the smell of cherry blossoms into the cage, the rats would exhibit fear, stress, anxiety, and attempt to hide.

Now, so far, that's not that unexpected, right? What the scientists did next is absolutely fascinating...

Next, they took the sperm from those rats and impregnated female rats. They then allowed the mothers to have and raise their babies in a controlled and safe environment. These babies had never smelled various scents such as cherry blossom. They released several different scents into the cage. The new generation of rats behaved just fine. However, when they released the scent of cherry blossoms, even if it was just a minute amount of the scent, the new generation of rats exhibited fear, anxiety, and attempted to hide.

Even though they had never smelled cherry blossoms, they reacted like their ancestors did after having been shocked to the scent of cherry blossoms! Thus the memory of the danger the scent of cherry blossoms posed to their ancestors was passed on to the next generation. And to make it even more interesting... this was passed down to several additional generations.

What these scientists discovered is that environmental experiences such as stress and trauma actually creates "tags" on the rat's DNA. These tags activate specific genes to produce specific responses in their biochemical behaviors under certain conditions.

The question then became... does this happen in humans? And their findings were rather fascinating. It happens in us too. Parents who experienced the trauma of the WTC attack on 9/11 and reported PTSD and other anxiety showed the affects of stress hormones in their lower cortisol levels. Guess what, their children had lower cortisol levels too. Thus making their children more sensitive to loud noises and other factors that produce stress or anxiety. Essentially, elements of the PTSD were passed down to their children.

Scientists believe that this is absolutely necessary for the survival of a species. It is a way for parents to pass down significant information to their children with regards various environmental dangers, conditions, or challenges.

They are now considering the possibility of underlying epigenetic causes and effects as they might relate to irrational phobias, psychotic behavior, and emotional issues.

They are also researching how extremely pleasurable experiences might leave certain epigenetic tags on one's DNA which predisposes one's descendants to specific interests in relation to pleasure, happiness, and recreation. This side of the research may very well show that epigenetics can even have an affect on the biochemical aspects of our sexuality. This would explain why there are often patterns to sexual behaviors, interests, abuses, and choices within specific family lines.

So, it looks as though science is building the case that we are not born with clean slates. We very well might inherit both the pleasure and the pain of our ancestors produced by their choices and environmental factors.

[Aquila]

Biblically speaking, epigenetics might help us understand the science behind our sinful nature and the affects of the original sin on our lives. It can also help us understand the science behind generational curses and why God would even consider visiting the inequities of the fathers unto the third and fourth generations.

It also tells us that they choices we make and experiences we have can affect our descendants for generations.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The people who are into various fetishes probably did not start off into that. Still, that does not mean that they did not have the sinful inclinations or predispositions of homosexuality.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd say that some could be born with the biochemical proclivity to experience pleasure through pain and insult.

Biochemical?

Do you even have any idea what you are talking about? I mean before you defend a position do you even make sure you understand what you are saying?

Originally Posted by Aquila

It can range from one wanting one's hair pulled, to wanting to be choked, to be called bad names, or to be slapped around.

That isn't in someone's DNA, those are perversions which people get from their culture. Their perverted culture.

Originally Posted by Aquila

For some reason, these things produce the biochemical response that leads to orgasm.

No, that is because they are perverts, and through a life of perversion they need more to get to a point they are looking to achieve. It works a lot like Cocaine or any drug, or even sugar.

Originally Posted by Aquila

However, regardless of the biological and psychological aspects of something like this, the style and subculture that you refer to only attracts the individuals who already innately find this experience fulfilling.

All you needed was to post just this sentence. No one is born homosexual, or a pervert.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The science of epigenetics is finding evidence that points to the distinct possibility that we are not born with a clean slate. The experiences of our ancestors and parents may very well be passed down to us through our DNA.

For example, scientists took lab rats and decided to shock them every time they released the fragrance of cherry blossoms into the cage. This conditioned these rats to associate the smell of cherry blossoms with fear and pain. So, every time they released the smell of cherry blossoms into the cage, the rats would exhibit fear, stress, anxiety, and attempt to hide.

Now, so far, that's not that unexpected, right? What the scientists did next is absolutely fascinating...

Next, they took the sperm from those rats and impregnated female rats. They then allowed the mothers to have and raise their babies in a controlled and safe environment. These babies had never smelled various scents such as cherry blossom. They released several different scents into the cage. The new generation of rats behaved just fine. However, when they released the scent of cherry blossoms, even if it was just a minute amount of the scent, the new generation of rats exhibited fear, anxiety, and attempted to hide.

Even though they had never smelled cherry blossoms, they reacted like their ancestors did after having been shocked to the scent of cherry blossoms! Thus the memory of the danger the scent of cherry blossoms posed to their ancestors was passed on to the next generation. And to make it even more interesting... this was passed down to several additional generations.

What these scientists discovered is that environmental experiences such as stress and trauma actually creates "tags" on the rat's DNA. These tags activate specific genes to produce specific responses in their biochemical behaviors under certain conditions.

The question then became... does this happen in humans? And their findings were rather fascinating. It happens in us too. Parents who experienced the trauma of the WTC attack on 9/11 and reported PTSD and other anxiety showed the affects of stress hormones in their lower cortisol levels. Guess what, their children had lower cortisol levels too. Thus making their children more sensitive to loud noises and other factors that produce stress or anxiety. Essentially, elements of the PTSD were passed down to their children.

Scientists believe that this is absolutely necessary for the survival of a species. It is a way for parents to pass down significant information to their children with regards various environmental dangers, conditions, or challenges.

They are now considering the possibility of underlying epigenetic causes and effects as they might relate to irrational phobias, psychotic behavior, and emotional issues.

They are also researching how extremely pleasurable experiences might leave certain epigenetic tags on one's DNA which predisposes one's descendants to specific interests in relation to pleasure, happiness, and recreation. This side of the research may very well show that epigenetics can even have an affect on the biochemical aspects of our sexuality. This would explain why there are often patterns to sexual behaviors, interests, abuses, and choices within specific family lines.

So, it looks as though science is building the case that we are not born with clean slates. We very well might inherit both the pleasure and the pain of our ancestors produced by their choices and environmental factors.

No wonder you're a democrat.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

No wonder you're a democrat.

Sadly one day become an atheist?

[mfblume]

New birth makes us new creatures and ALL old things are passed away, anyway.

DNA does not enter into the mandates of the bible. The word of God deals with the spiritual and things like righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

New birth makes us new creatures and ALL old things are passed away, anyway.

DNA does not enter into the mandates of the bible. The word of God deals with the spiritual and things like righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit.