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So now we have a third world system where an elite group can blatantly ignore the Constitution and nothing happens...
Has it ever been proven that Obama spied on the "trump Tower"?
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No. Mindless blathering that OBAMA ordered such and it is seems that maybe he should have... concerning Flynn? I digress.
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If Trump has done something unconstitutional he should be impeached.
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Agreed.
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Hilary should be placed on trial for keeping classified information on a private server.
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What is the LAST thing the FBI said about this? Seems to me that all they wanted to do was just cause questions. Heaven forbid we question the actual POTUS...
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Her IT staff should be jailed for obstruction of justice by wiping the server.
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Agreed. They knew NOT to do that and they did it anyway. There is no excuse.
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Someone in the Justice department should be jailed for Fast and Furious.
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Who though? The practice of "gun-running" started under who? When?
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The people responsible for using the IRS to target conservatives should be fired and lose all benefits and placed on trial.
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Disagree. That was investigated and the accusations were unfounded.
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There needs to be a root cause analysis done on Benghazi and the obstructionist (negligent person) placed on trial for murder.
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Disagree. There wasn't a single person responsible for Benghazi-- CONGRESS was responsible for Benghazi when they trimmed that mission's security funding.
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Those who upheld the lie that it was about a stupid low budget movie should be banned from political life forever.
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That is not how a representative democracy works. Besides, the truth came out and I still cringe how people wanted to KNOW exactly what had happened within 48 hours of that terrorist attack when there were SEVERAL attacks and protests that day, around the whole world-- not just one.
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The people responsible for spying on journalists should be jailed.
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Disagree. The Constitutional implications are concerning, but unless an actual law was broken, drastic, knee-jerk responses like that won't help the direction our country is heading.
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The handling of Bergdahl should have landed impeachment proceeding on Obama - He ignored the Senate and gave up 5 (if I remember correctly) well-known terrorist for a single Army deserter.
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Disagree.
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I am thinking that since this is a military situation, as Commander-In-Chief, he can make the call to not leave any Americans behind. So really, your only recourse would be to attempt to court martial the Commander-In-Chief. Not gonna happen. Bergdahl appears to be pure trash. I probably wouldn't have included White House photo ops for his parents in the carrying out of my duties to bring Bergdahl home. I would have done what I could to bring Americans home-- especially Americans who are alive.
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The Iran deal ignored the Constitution.
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Care to elaborate? I disagree, but President Obama, the Constitutional scholar, probably thought about your objections before he made that deal. I probably haven't.
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The VA scandal should have placed someone on trial and jailed for manslaughter of everyone who died without proper treatment.
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Again, when it comes to systemic, government problems, it is hard to hold a single person responsible. A few VA Directors were fired once it BECAME CLEAR that record manipulation was known about and openly practiced at their medical centers. Still, your desire to convict someone of manslaughter for the cases we know about is not possible and really wouldn't be justice anyway. Sending a single lowly administrative clerk to jail with a manslaughter conviction for their role in a systemic problem is not what I think justice would look like.
And the list goes on and on...
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It is hypocritical for Democrats to ignore the abuses of the Obama Administration and the Clinton's while trying de-legitimize the Trump Administration. Not saying anyone here is doing so - just an observation.
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Major difference is the alleged abuses of the Obama Administration have been investigated thoroughly. Remember how before and after and while still trying to tie Obama himself to a conservative organization losing their non-profit status in Arizona, the conservative news media narrative was that OBAMA was behind it all! The accusations were then and still are preposterous and were without merit from the start. They were borne out of paranoia.
Trump is his own worst enemy. His words. His actions. The people connected DIRECTLY to him. That is the MAJOR DIFFERENCE between the Trump chaos and the character assault Obama endured.
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I have seen reports of Trump supporters being beaten and harassed by the leftists. The hatred of the Left is blatantly obvious. This concerns me about the character of the nation my children will inherit. Hate rules and if you disagree with the Left they will seek to destroy you. For this reason I pretty much ignore what the MSM puts out there. I cannot and do not trusty what they say.
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If you want to show yourself objective, please bring up ALL the senseless POLITICAL violence connected with Trump, his words, and his supporters. I abhor all of the political violence, but we cannot have a rational conversation about that unless we are willing to admit that both sides have engaged in political violence.
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I support the ban on immigrants from the nations listed on the Trump travel ban.
How many terrorists are in this country already?
How many Boston's, Florida's, San Bernardino's must there be? No seditious ideology has a First Amendment right to subvert and murder U.S. citizens.
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I would support it IF it wasn't presented in such a clearly xenophobic manner. His words has led to Judges across America questioning his intents with his travel ban.
His. Own. Words. Nothing else.
Everyone wants to be safe. No single person should be granted the power to single-handedly destroy the pluralistic character that has come to define our country.
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Agree. There should be no such thing as "Sanctuary Cities" and the matter should not be settled with funding cuts. This matter attacks the identity and unity of our country. It actually undermines the power of the State government and even more so for the Federal government.
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We must know who is coming into the country.
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Agree.
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Are they criminals?
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We don't need any more criminals. We have our own criminals.
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Are they coming for a handout?
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I think this question belies an unfortunate prejudice you have been fed concerning the vast majority of immigrants who come to America-- legally and illegally.
Most immigrants who come to America come for the opportunity-- not for the handout.
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Do they have a communicable disease?
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Of course this is a valid concern.
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Are they terrorists?
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Most, not all, but most terrorist attacks happening on the continental United States have been committed by Americans. I see another parallel in discussing this subject in the context of all things American but it would be off subject.
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These are just 2 examples of what I support about Trump. With that said, I also believe he is a pompous blowhard but it is fun to watch him go after the MSM. They hate him...
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I don't like Trump and I believe it was a sad day for America when he was elected as our President.
I am at the point now where I really hope he is
JUSTLY impeached so that we can try to salvage what is left behind the leadership of Mike Pence or Paul Ryan.
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