Baptism

houstonupci · #1 06-14-2017, 02:24 PM

I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

Amanah · #2 06-14-2017, 02:34 PM

because Jesus is the name of the father John 5:43
Jesus is the name of the son Matthew 1:21
Jesus is the name of the Spirit John 14:26
All power is given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
There is no other name under heaven given among men for salvation Acts 4:12
Do all in the name of Jesus Col 3:17
Church was purchased with the blood of Jesus Acts 20:28
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins Hebrews 9:22
Baptism in Jesus name is for remission of sin Acts 2:38
the disciples of Jesus baptized in Jesus name in the book of Acts, Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10

We can't change the Apostles doctrine:
Paul said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8).

mfblume · #3 06-14-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

Jesus said to cast out devils in his name as we read baptism is done in his name. When we read about people actually casting devils out they invoke the name. Go figure.

SJC · #4 06-14-2017, 04:44 PM

You might try using the analogy of a check. It goes like this: A man is a father because he has children; a son because he has parents; a husband because he has a wife. Each of these titles pertains to a particular relationship in his life. Now if this man were to write you a check for $10,000.00 and sign it father, son, and husband, would the bank cash that check? No! There are many men who are a father, a son, and a husband. What designates this man in particular is his name. By simply signing his name on a check he can transfer money to you. The authority to do so is in his name.

'There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved' (Acts 4:12)

SJC · #5 06-14-2017, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

because Jesus is the name of the father John 5:43
Jesus is the name of the son Matthew 1:21
Jesus is the name of the Spirit John 14:26
All power is given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
There is no other name under heaven given among men for salvation Acts 4:12
Do all in the name of Jesus Col 3:17
Church was purchased with the blood of Jesus Acts 20:28
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins Hebrews 9:22
Baptism in Jesus name is for remission of sin Acts 2:38
the disciples of Jesus baptized in Jesus name in the book of Acts, Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10

We can't change the Apostles doctrine:
Paul said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8).

AMEN !

Esaias · #6 06-14-2017, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

Jesus doesn't "turn away believers" because of "technicalities". Rather, believers are those who follow Jesus according to the faith and practice of the apostles. The apostles baptised in the name of the Lord. How do you perform an official act "in the name of Jesus" that is designed to signify the believer's identification with Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, as well as signify the washing away of sins by the merits of Jesus Christ, as well as signify the believer's entrance into the community of disciples of Jesus Christ - without actually invoking the name of Jesus Christ?

Acts 2:21, Acts 22:16, and Romans 10:9 and 13 show that the one seeking salvation from the Lord is to call upon his Name, which is done in baptism as per Acts 22:16. However, disciples who perform baptism are to perform them in the Name (Matthew 28:19, Acts 8:16). Those who call upon the Name of the Lord are those of whom it is said the Lord's Name is "upon them" (Acts 15:17, James 2:7), and the Lord's Name is upon them by the invocation of the Name upon them performed by the Lord's representatives (Num 6:27).

So then it is the biblical pattern that those who come to the church to be baptised are to call upon his Name, and are to have His Name called upon them by the church (ie by the one baptising). The two go together: the individual's faith and public confession of the Lord, and the church's official act of admitting said person into the community of disciples (see also Matthew 18:18).

mizpeh · #7 06-14-2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus doesn't "turn away believers" because of "technicalities". Rather, believers are those who follow Jesus according to the faith and practice of the apostles. The apostles baptised in the name of the Lord. How do you perform an official act "in the name of Jesus" that is designed to signify the believer's identification with Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, as well as signify the washing away of sins by the merits of Jesus Christ, as well as signify the believer's entrance into the community of disciples of Jesus Christ - without actually invoking the name of Jesus Christ?

Acts 2:21, Acts 22:16, and Romans 10:9 and 13 show that the one seeking salvation from the Lord is to call upon his Name, which is done in baptism as per Acts 22:16. However, disciples who perform baptism are to perform them in the Name (Matthew 28:19, Acts 8:16). Those who call upon the Name of the Lord are those of whom it is said the Lord's Name is "upon them" (Acts 15:17, James 2:7), and the Lord's Name is upon them by the invocation of the Name upon them performed by the Lord's representatives (Num 6:27).

So then it is the biblical pattern that those who come to the church to be baptised are to call upon his Name, and are to have His Name called upon them by the church (ie by the one baptising). The two go together: the individual's faith and public confession of the Lord, and the church's official act of admitting said person into the community of disciples (see also Matthew 18:18).

SJC · #8 06-14-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus doesn't "turn away believers" because of "technicalities". Rather, believers are those who follow Jesus according to the faith and practice of the apostles. The apostles baptised in the name of the Lord. How do you perform an official act "in the name of Jesus" that is designed to signify the believer's identification with Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, as well as signify the washing away of sins by the merits of Jesus Christ, as well as signify the believer's entrance into the community of disciples of Jesus Christ - without actually invoking the name of Jesus Christ?

FlamingZword · #9 06-14-2017, 09:36 PM

The Apostles did miracles in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the father
The Apostles cast out devils in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Son
The Apostles did many things in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Holy Spirit.

It was always in the name of Jesus.

Evang.Benincasa · #10 06-15-2017, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

Ok, now that you just had a bunch of posters give you a good amount of answers. Can you or do you baptize people without saying a word? If a tree falls in a backyard and everyone is asleep in the house. Did the tree make any noise when it fell? Do men all have God's name because we are fathers, and sons and have a Spirit? Do women not have God's name because they are mothers, daughters? Does the refrigerator light stay on when you shut the door? If you were to walk to New York from Colombia would you be tired?