Baptism

[votivesoul]

We need to be careful about treating the name of Jesus as a kind of talisman or charm, like it's a mantra, or that just by saying it, it, that is, the name, and not the One who bears the name, has power.

We read in Hebrews 1:3 that Jesus by Himself purged us of our sins. Revelation 1:5 reads that Jesus washed us from our sins in His own blood.

When someone is to be immersed, it's not simply vocally calling out the name Jesus that means anything. Lots of folks invoke the name Jesus, and get nowhere with the Lord, such as the seven sons of Sceva.

Rather, when we call out, it's not to call out the name Jesus, it's to call upon the One who bears the name Jesus. By calling out His name, we are actively summoning Him to the occasion, petitioning Him to purge the repentant believer of his or her sins by washing that repentant believer of his or her sins in His own blood.

So, if no one is actually calling out to Jesus to come and be a part of the immersion, and do what He does when a repentant believer is immersed, which is remit sins and seal with the Holy Spirit, what makes us think He's just going to casually show up just for the fun of it?

You're on a 24 foot ladder cleaning out your gutters in November, and a strong gust of wind destabilizes your ladder and you fear you're going to fall. You cry out "Jesus!".

Do you want the name to do some special trick to keep you from falling, or do you want Jesus of Nazareth, the Man from Galilee, to supernaturally reach into what's happening, to stop you from falling? You want the Person who bears the name, and not merely the name without the Person.

Same with Biblical New Covenant immersion, and much else besides. The first is proper Biblical etiquette at an immersion. The second is mysticism and superstitiousness.

[Dordrecht]

Nobody answered this question:

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it
not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"?

If they're the same thing, does it really matter?

Would Jesus turn away a believer because the person
that baptized them said the wrong words?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Nobody answered this question:

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it
not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"?

If they're the same thing, does it really matter?

Would Jesus turn away a believer because the person
that baptized them said the wrong words?

I answered that. But let's be clearer: Saying what Jesus said to do is not the same as doing what Jesus said to do.

Do you honor Mom and Dad by saying " Honor Mom and Dad"? Or by actually doing it?

Those who hear but don't actually do, deceive themselves.

[shag]

1 Cor. 1:12-13

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Nobody answered this question:

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it
not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"?

If they're the same thing, does it really matter?

Would Jesus turn away a believer because the person
that baptized them said the wrong words?

In a heart beat. He wouldn't only turn them away, He would send them into the deepest location in the abyss.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

1 Cor. 1:12-13

Paul pushed that their was a name in order to have the right leadership authority.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I answered that. But let's be clearer: Saying what Jesus said to do is not the same as doing what Jesus said to do.

Do you honor Mom and Dad by saying " Honor Mom and Dad"? Or by actually doing it?

Those who hear but don't actually do, deceive themselves.

[Dordrecht]

Well....ok....don't make it an attack on me personally....
Me and my family are baptized in Jesus name.

I was just asking a question people have asked me often.

So....if the preacher says the wrong words, even though the ones baptized are in good faith, they will go to hell.

Well I guess that would send roughly 90% of the Christian community to hell and only United Pentecostals will be saved.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well....ok....don't make it an attack on me personally....
Me and my family are baptized in Jesus name.

I was just asking a question people have asked me often.

So....if the preacher says the wrong words, even though the ones baptized are in good faith, they will go to hell.

Well I guess that would send roughly 90% of the Christian community to hell and only United Pentecostals will be saved.

How about this "enter 10% in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and 90% there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and 10% there be that find it."

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How about this "enter 10% in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and 90% there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and 10% there be that find it."

Yup! I agree.