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View Poll Results: Do you find Revelation hard to understand?
The book of Revelation is very clear to me 4 36.36%
I'm undecided as to the interpretation of Revelation 7 63.64%
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:32 AM
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Re: Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

I think we have an evangelist in our midst...
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:34 AM
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Re: Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

I found out by personal experience that I had a choice: either take the Word as Reality... or drown in the hell my life had become.

Tis so sweet, to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word...
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Bro, I must of been in the company of a way different class of Apostolic men and women. Because none of them ever paraded their bloody corpses through the sanctuary. One sister who was in the 119th street Church in Miami under Elder W.H. Dunn, testified to me how her husband would beat the snot out of her everytime she would go to church service. He would throw her a beating, and then kick her out of the house. Her testimony wasn't getting a busted lop from her husband, but that everytime she would go to church she would shout her hair down. She promised herself that she would get so filled with a move of God, that it would carry her through. Bro, were the old timers a different breed? A sister was in a car accident where her car was rear ended and the gas tank exploded. The impact was so extreme that her driver's seat broke and flipped her into the back of the car where the gas tank ruptured. The fire dept finally came and put out the fire, they believed that no one survived. Until they heard a sound of our sister whimpering from within the car. She was unrecognizably burned over 90% of her body. Yet, I never ever failed to see her testify about her victory in Christ. The overcoming power of Christ lived out in her life, her worship and prayer life. Must of been a different breed, because you teach that these people should be rolled up in the fetal position under the pews. Instead of living in victory shouting on the backs of the pews. There's your warriors my boy.




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What kind of Apostolic church were you in? I'm as serious as a heart attack. Did you just attend a church where everyone just got dressed. Looked the part, but Jesus was across town? What I found about the Apostolic people, was that they preached Holy Ghost, taught Holy Ghost, lived Holy Ghost, walked Holy Ghost, ate Holy Ghost, and most of all trusted Holy Ghost. They allowed the move of the Holy Ghost, from the pulpit to the door. They had their mind on Jesus and they had church. I'm real sorry, but the First Church of Brillo just don't get'er done.



Chris, drop the act, I'm done with YOUR whining. I don't belittle saints of God. I don't berate saints of God. I don't brow beat saints of God, I do take my can opener and work on tinmen, blow hards, who couldn't give a care, about living for God themselves, therefore block the way for anyone else. How dare you undermine a sinner seeking life eternal, with your sorry excuses. One minute you are claiming you are bawling while you post, only to gather up a second wind and start throwing punches.

I really hope you realize that no one is your enemy, only Satan.

And Only Jesus Christ can vanquish the devil once and for all in your life.

Take His yoke upon you, and learn of Him. He makes it light because He does most of the heavy lifting. Until you come to the place where you can help others

First, the 24 year old girl had medical attention that I'm certain her church and family praise God for. I know you probably think she's less of a saint for needing such help, because if she were filled with enough Holy Ghost, she'd have been miraculously healed, right? And second, should she begin to have a serious anxiety disorder in the future related to her shooting, you leave me fully believing that you wouldn't be man enough to advise that while she prays she should see a professional counselor. And thirdly, if she did, shed be a stronger man than you.

It might be years from now. But a car backfiring near her could trigger a reaction that sends her spiraling into a world of internal horror. She's not out of the woods yet. And if you understood anything about trauma, you'd know that. When she limped into church to impress people like you, instead of resting and healing, I bet you didn't even pull her aside and ask if she might need someone to talk to. I bet you never advised that maybe she should talk to someone, or should still be resting. You probably capitalized on her desperate effort to impress your church with accolades of encouragement. You may very well have helped place a ticking time bomb in her soul that could blow her, and her family, apart one day. I pray it doesn't happen, but don't be surprised or berate her if it does. After all, you will have contributed. Her actions are a bad sign, she's not focused on healing. She's focused on desperately proving her worth to a church that isn't worthy of her.

In where I work now, I've seen police officers race back to the job after serious trama, and fall apart months or years later. Such effort to prove one is well in the aftermath of trauma often causes the healing process to become more difficult. This stuff is no joke.

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Old 07-16-2017, 04:52 AM
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^mic drop
He never had one to drop. He never even served in the military or faced any level of trama that left him wounded in his soul. He wasted his younger years in foolishness, which he obviously reveled in, and perpetuates to this very day. He was probably a hardened, tattooed biker type, who reveled in the degradation and pain he caused others, thinking it proved how strong of a man he was. He hasn't changed much, he's still doing it. He's still that hardened thug. Only now he carries a Bible under one arm and thinks it impresses God when he abuses others. A wasted life, and more sadly, a wasted ministry without testimony. Hardness isn't holiness.

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Old 07-16-2017, 05:05 AM
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I think we have an evangelist in our midst...
I know evangelists. None of them behave like him. Hardness isn't holiness. Holiness begins with brokenness.
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Old 07-16-2017, 05:08 AM
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Jesus knows what vets and so many others suffering from PTSD are going through... He still has scars too.

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Old 07-16-2017, 07:37 AM
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First, the 24 year old girl had medical attention that I'm certain her church and family praise God for. I know you probably think she's less of a saint for needing such help, because if she were filled with enough Holy Ghost, she'd have been miraculously healed, right? And second, should she begin to have a serious anxiety disorder in the future related to her shooting, you leave me fully believing that you wouldn't be man enough to advise that while she prays she should see a professional counselor. And thirdly, if she did, shed be a stronger man than you.
You took a bullet in the chest? This is interesting how you dealt with what I posted. You took a bullet as military personnel I assume? What war was this? Where were you deployed where you took the bullet? She was walking to her car with another sister. She was shot point blank in the chest, no jacket, no kevlar, point blank, and drove herself to the hospital. What war were you in Chris? You were military, a "medic" you are told this testimony, but you bypass what actually happened to this saint of God. Good going Tarzan, you need help alright, but no amount of talking to a Nazarene psychologist is going to help you while you percolate in your own human will. Grow up Chris. It isn't about you being the winner, having everyone think you are their hero and friend. It is about being honest, who you are in the dark, where no one can see you but Christ. Where you are in your head, while you surf the internet, Having character, and being a character is totally two different things.


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It might be years from now. But a car backfiring near her could trigger a reaction that sends her spiraling into a world of internal horror.
Wonderful awesome response from a "man" who seeks more to be right, then hope and faith. Bro, is that your hope for her? Sadly yes, because there is no supernatural Jesus for you. That 24 year old sister isn't a girl who loves Jesus, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in JESUS name. Who tells her attacker "God bless you in Jesus name" then takes the bullet. You see it as she is you. All you see in every story is you. Chris just because you can't and won't do something, doesn't mean everyone is like you. Some people don't want religion as a cloak. Some believe this instead of waiting to be an intellectual hero. She was shot by a young black man, is she going to have bad reactions to black men? She was getting into a black car, will she one day have issues with black cars? It happened at night, will she in the future have a problem with going out at night? Bro, you always argue subjects you know little or nothing about. Car backfiring? Do you know how much that happens in the real world? Do you know with cars today they no longer have the ignition systems which causes that issue. Yet, you aren't saying that because that popped in your head, or experience it personally. You say that because you parrot old information from what you have heard or been told by the groups who believe that only psychotherapy saves.

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She's not out of the woods yet.
She is doing better than you. That would make any other man reexamine their posture. Not you. Sadly not you. You just want to be the faith killing wet blanket, to reassure her that one day she will be just like you. Instead of just like Christ. You can keep your religion pal, because it couldn't kick start a wet leaf.

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And if you understood anything about trauma, you'd know that.
Aquila the expert and hero. Sorry, but we understand and know the power of the Holy Ghost, the mighty God in Christ. You just know boundaries which confine you outside of Eden.


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When she limped into church to impress people like you,
Good job Chris, you prove beyond all doubt that you are a classless act.

Jealous that a little girl upstaged you?

Were you the guy who sat in testimony services glancing at his watch. Because everyone was taking to long? While you were chafing at the bit to tell everyone how you leap tall buildings in a single bound? Or to tell them how humble and broken you are? But MeeMaw is taking too long telling everyone how her lost grandchildren are currently living for God? How she seen God's promises to her fulfilled after her years of dedicated prayer?

It's all about you?

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instead of resting and healing, I bet you didn't even pull her aside and ask if she might need someone to talk to.
No, she was too busy testifying about the goodness of the Holy Ghost.

You would of formed a drum circle?


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I bet you never advised that maybe she should talk to someone, or should still be resting.
She did talk to someone, she talked with Jesus Christ? You know, the guy who always upstages you? The one who we are supposed to tell people to go to? The one who is the King, the Pastor, the Leader, the Doctor? Oh, you must believe that If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia. You want church to be a MASH unit?

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You probably capitalized on her desperate effort to impress your church with accolades of encouragement.
No, that's what you would do. You use people as props in your argument. I just happen to have a sister who took a bullet in the chest. When you tore open your own shirt in the thread to show us how right you are. Everything is about you, nothing else matters, it is all about what you experience. If you can't chew gum, then no one can chew gum. Instead of measuring ourselves with Christ, you want us to measure up to you. You can't do it then no one can do it it. First Church of Rusted Brillo has claimed another victim.


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You may very well have helped place a ticking time bomb in her soul that could blow her, and her family, apart one day.
Talk about poster scare tactics? Back in the day you would of marched her to the edge of the snake pit, and kicked her in head first. No, Chris, she has Jesus Christ as her pastor. Thank God in heaven that she doesn't have faith killing selfish ego maniac leading her to a pit. You are such a hero, ready to save the world by placing a rock around its neck to see if they can float.


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I pray it doesn't happen,
More Christian jargon motivated by legalism? How on earth are we supposed to believe that? You have just posted the words of a prophet of doom. She doesn't need you doing anything for her, only to stay away from her. You don't want her victory.That would prove you wrong. You want her drooling and rocking back and forth. Wincing when a metal tray hits the ground. So, you can look smug and somber, welling up in your ego. Chris the Holy Ghost is real, and you can't stand it.


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but don't be surprised or berate her if it does.
No, you are the one who who sends women into the house to change their garment with tears in their eyes. You see Aquila, not everyone is like you. We aren't measured by what you have done. Christ is the measuring rod not you.

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After all, you will have contributed. Her actions are a bad sign, she's not focused on healing. She's focused on desperately proving her worth to a church that isn't worthy of her.
That's your hopes for her, you are going to pray for her? Save your breath to cool your porridge?

In where I work now, I've seen police officers race back to the job after serious trama, and fall apart months or years later. [/quote]

Bro, you don't believe the Holy Ghost is the answer for anyone. Therefore how is that relevant to what we are talking about? You don't believe in the supernatural conversion that is why you are no longer Pentecostal, but a Christain humanist. You believe that those officers need to be put on Beta blockers? Aquila? Want to know why your a crash site? Because you don't believe any of this is real. The Bible is just a story book for you, Jesus was Gandalf, in a make believe world. Why? Because it doesn't work for you. You will find out as you get older that this garbage your peddling won't work for you either. I just hope you find an altar.

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Such effort to prove one is well in the aftermath of trauma often causes the healing process to become more difficult. This stuff is no joke.
No "its" not a joke. You sadly are a joke.

You need to find God, you need to find Him fast. You need to do it asap. You need Jesus Christ's Holy Power worse than the breath of life.

You are extremely caught in your own human will, smothered by ego, and you don't believe God is real anymore. Because you can't leap tall buildings, you can't stop a bullet, and walk into Church with the Holy Ghost glow. You scowl at her, because you are not her.

We are not to measure ourselves among ourselves, we are to allow Jesus to transform us by the renewing of our minds. Not the shrinking of our heads
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