Apostoic worship??

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by n david

NAYC video

Someone needs to tell these old folk they're doing it wrong! Face down and prone, people!

God bless this couple! I love this! I believe God does as well.

thanks for sharing, awesome video!

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

This is where I disagree with you. The only criteria I find is where any two.....

Tough luck if you're by yourself, then, eh?

I've too many experiences alone with God where I have felt His presence when I worship and praise Him. Whether it's praise and dance, or intercessory prayer while prostrate before Him -- whenever I call Him, He's there. It doesn't take two. It doesn't always include me being face down and prone.

Sometimes it's when I praise Him in the shout and dance. Sometimes it's when I bow or prostrate myself in quiet prayer. Sometimes it's in intercession when I can hardly form words in prayer.

There's no one formula for meeting with God. There's no one position in which we meet with Him.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

In Exodus 34 we see The Lord coming as close to Moses as any person in history. What does he do in verse 8? No running , no dancing, no out of control spinning , no jumpig etc etc.

So you take one verse and claim worship is only face down and prone?

Have you met David? ""And David danced before the LORD with all his might;""

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Yes.

So, you're at the local UPC, the service begins (let me guess, the music leader says something like "Let's worship") and you perform a prostration and remain there, prone, until the worship segment ends and the preaching begins? Or something like that?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what's going on.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure how to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

Admittedly, I am the last person that wants to be a part of a dead church-- where the Gifts of the Spirit are not manifested, where people are not praising and worshipping the Lord in a Biblically demonstrative manner.

This reminds me of a time I was attending the church in Denham Springs when the minister completely stops multiple people speaking in tongues at the same time. He then preceded to use scripture for his reasoning on why he did. I can not remember the preacher he was some yankee. First and only time I have seen this done.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Yes.

I know an old preacher by the name of Bro Holt who will, right in the middle of a white hot worship service, fall down suddenly on his hands and knees with his face pressed to the floor. He does it so fast, that the first time I saw it I thought he had taken a tumble. I've seen him do it many times and even while he's sitting on the platform.

Some may call it nonsense or silliness, but for him it's the only way he can show the love and appreciation that he feels for his Savior.

You may run, you may dance. You might shout, you might even sing. You may just slip a hand in the air and give an old fashioned wave offering. Whatever you, do it with everything you within you!

When I think of the goodness of Jesus, and all that he's done for me!

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, you're at the local UPC, the service begins (let me guess, the music leader says something like "Let's worship") and you perform a prostration and remain there, prone, until the worship segment ends and the preaching begins? Or something like that?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what's going on.

No your not. You are just trying to prove me wrong.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by n david

Tough luck if you're by yourself, then, eh?

I've too many experiences alone with God where I have felt His presence when I worship and praise Him. Whether it's praise and dance, or intercessory prayer while prostrate before Him -- whenever I call Him, He's there. It doesn't take two. It doesn't always include me being face down and prone.

Sometimes it's when I praise Him in the shout and dance. Sometimes it's when I bow or prostrate myself in quiet prayer. Sometimes it's in intercession when I can hardly form words in prayer.

There's no one formula for meeting with God. There's no one position in which we meet with Him.

SO you don't agree with Matthew 18:20?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

This reminds me of a time I was attending the church in Denham Springs when the minister completely stops multiple people speaking in tongues at the same time. He then preceded to use scripture for his reasoning on why he did. I can not remember the preacher he was some yankee. First and only time I have seen this done.

The best (and I guess only) justification I have been able to come up with is that near the end of Paul's preaching on how speaking in tongues and prophecy should happen in our services is his clear admonition to, "DON'T FORBID PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

No your not. You are just trying to prove me wrong.

How can I prove you "wrong" if you are describing what you do? Am I going to pull up video of you and say "Aha! You are NOT prone during worship!"???? Seriously, I'm trying to understand what you are saying.