Apostoic worship??

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

well..... just when this thread had a chance to become intellectual

Joe,

Did you watch the video of the older couple dancing at NAYC? I think ndavid posted it early in this thread. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your 30 seconds to view it.

If you did see it, do you see anything wrong with their worship? If you do, please explain.

If you don't have a problem with their worship, then you'll need to explain the anti-demonstrative position you've taken on worship.

I preached Sunday night and my title was "When your shout is louder than your adversary"... so I think you know where I stand on the issue

[Esaias]

Just gotta make sure there's clout in the shout, otherwise it's a strike out.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Let's have church, Bro Esaias can teach, Bro nDavid can lead worship, and then Bro Benincasa can tell funny stories and preach.

I wonder what an AFF camp meeting service would look like?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Joe,

Did you watch the video of the older couple dancing at NAYC? I think ndavid posted it early in this thread. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your 30 seconds to view it.

If you did see it, do you see anything wrong with their worship? If you do, please explain.

If you don't have a problem with their worship, then you'll need to explain the anti-demonstrative position you've taken on worship.

I preached Sunday night and my title was "When your shout is louder than your adversary"... so I think you know where I stand on the issue

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

In the "old days" you had to calm folks down. Now we gotta pump em up?

What does THAT tell us?

[JoeBandy]

I think there is a little brought out fact in Luke with the 10 lepers. All ten were cleansed because they asked ..only because they asked. But one was made whole because of a simple .. Thank You!!!! Let that sink in! Not because he ran laps around the building not because he dance the cha cha but because of a Thank You!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I think there is a little brought out fact in Luke with the 10 lepers. All ten were cleansed because they asked ..only because they asked. But one was made whole because of a simple .. Thank You!!!! Let that sink in! Not because he ran laps around the building not because he dance the cha cha but because of a Thank You!

The problem is you seem to be arguing that people should NOT be exuberant in their praise. Hannah prayed under her breath and was heard, but that by no means one should NOT lift up their voice and cry aloud.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd.

Glad you weren't with the Israelites when Joshua or Gideon led them.

"""And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."""

"""When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.

And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon."""

I don't believe Paul and Silas were whispering songs and praise when the jail was shaken, the doors opened and chains fell off.

"""And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed."""

That's some praise!

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The problem is you seem to be arguing that people should NOT be exuberant in their praise. Hannah prayed under her breath and was heard, but that by no means one should NOT lift up their voice and cry aloud.

I guess my argument is more about it being used to gauge a service or sincerity or spirituality. About the necessity of such demonstration to control a move from God. IMO it has become more about this hype than anything. There is no substance and these acts of worship are more emotionalism being pumped from a popular music leader or minister. This is why tons of individuals have that low on Tuesday morning or Friday night and feel like they "jussstttt gotta make it till Sunday till I can be in church. This is Churchism and emotionalism.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I guess my argument is more about it being used to gauge a service or sincerity or spirituality. About the necessity of such demonstration to control a move from God. IMO it has become more about this hype than anything. There is no substance and these acts of worship are more emotionalism being pumped from a popular music leader or minister. This is why tons of individuals have that low on Tuesday morning or Friday night and feel like they "jussstttt gotta make it till Sunday till I can be in church. This is Churchism and emotionalism.

Wouldn't the solution be balanced teaching on the subject, rather than urging everyone to pretend they were Lutherans?