Submission? Or Power and Control?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Someone's insulted?

OK, IT is Gospel in the organization? No it isn't, because there are UPCI brothers and sisters who don't believe it. They are insulted when you broad brush them with all the rest. ILG and Emma Bonecruncher have been doing this for how long? So, she is a seasoned rodeo rider, and she and I have been at this for who knows how long. She is a pro, and no neophyte. PO, just like ndavid so correctly brought to everyone's attention. We have been at it for how long?

So, now that we got all that out of the way, we shall continue.

She didn't say ILG feels insulted-she said stop insulting ILG. Two different things.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, then I should say the people I have been familiar with do still believe this. I don't personally know a lot of people who don't. Except here maybe.

I wouldn't have an issue with the discussion if those wanting to engage with ILG would simply address her point in a scholarly fashion instead of a bunch of mean spirited bullying. I agree with ILG, it is not becoming of a Christian.

She posted some text that was a bit startling and wanted to run that by us. My faith is everything. Without it I can't please God. It is troubling, IMO, to have hair placed on the same level of faith and power of the Holy Ghost.

The problem comes in when it becomes a gospel that is earned or kept by keeping things that are not clearly biblical rather than a gospel that you don't earn and can't boast about.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I have NEVER heard RR or L.S.esque teachings taught at FPC Palm Bay. So don't claim is it gospel for the organization.

Standards are taught using scripture in the discipleship class.

People are welcome to come to church as they are. My Sister comes to church in pants and with cut hair and no one makes her feel unwanted.

IF you want to be a part of a church ministry or platform ministry it is expected that you follow church standards.

the UPC is a fellowship of churches, not all are alike in every respect.

If someone has had a bad experience 20 years past, they should get past it and move on.

If that is the case, every preacher who was delivered from alcohol better never mention it after 20 years because they should get past it and move on. And if 20 years is the cut off date, I have a number to go yet.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But we don't believe that.

Then why are you insulting me for calling it out and saying it isn't right? Maybe you should pat me on the back and say we agree and go have coffee?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I've heard some good ones come over the pulpit. I've been sitting on a platform where it was testified. That a sister laid her hair on the altar and asked God to heal her daughter. Daughter was healed, I make sure I don't disrupt anyone's church family. If they believe that, then the minister and I will discuss it in private. But for me to get up in anyone's pulpit and preach against what they all believe is ludicrous.

Do you preach against the trinity? Thought so.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Heard an old district presbyter testify about a young boy who was healed when he (the presbyter) laid on top of him. He said God told him to do it.

*cringe*

Who would you be to preach against what people believe? (To quote Benincasa)

But, yeah, putting it out here isn't wrong and saying you disagree isn't wrong.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

Seems to me then, what I posted was a good idea. That was my thinking in the beginning.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by houston

Let's not act like this is done in a dark corner somewhere unbeknown to the leadership in the UPCI. It is the UPCI website where a pic was retrieved of a woman letting down her uncut hair to pray over the offering plate.

LS spread this junk all over the USA and around the world. He doesn't have a small following.

Yep. And other people who teach likewise.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by houston

I'm sorry. The hair was placed over prayer requests at an Alabama ladies retreat.

And this is why I write what I do. This should be denounced from the higher ups, but it is ever?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

No, I never had a problem with standards. I had a problem with the mind prison the teachings put me into. I loved standards and I loved the lifestyle. If standards had been taught differently, I would probably be doing it today. I quit when I realized that to continue them would be to lead someone into the same mind prison I had found myself in and I didn't want to be responsible for that.

That's what I don't get. Mind prison?

My hair is short. I believe it ought to be short, because of scripture. Where's the prison? If someone taught me "if your hair gets long, if you stop cutting it, all hell will literally break loose" I don't see me fretting about it, since I wouldn't be growing my hair long anyway. Besides, I check everything with the Bible, so most likely I would either just smile and wave, or if I felt it was necessary I would ask for a comprehensive Bible study on the subject.

When you first heard these horror stories, did you stop and ask your husband? Did you search the scriptures to see if those things were true?