Submission? Or Power and Control?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

We agree!!!!!
Thanks!!!!

No problem! For some people, staying seems to be the right decision, keeping standards seems to be the right decision. I am not here to judge that. For some who leave, they get into big trouble and they are better off being in the UPC. For those people, I would rather that they stayed because the UPC and standards seems to be a fence they need in their life. So, I am not here to destroy that. What I am here for, and many people don't understand, is to help those who are in a miserable mind prison find their way out. Fences aren't all bad. It's when people say "You need my fence or you are lost" and even more importantly, when someone believes they need someone else's fence or they are lost, that is an even bigger problem yet because it could be that that fence is keeping them from a closer walk with God for their own life because they are following a fence not create for them.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Captain

There's more bitterness on this thread than anywhere else I've seen so far. Let me just make a couple of points here for the sake of anyone jumping in mid-thread.

ILG obviously holds to no apostolic doctrine but yet hangs out here. Why? Stoking her bitterness.

Esaias' bitterness is on full display above, then add to his constant private interpretation of scripture and he's either a bitter back pew type, attends one of the Pentecostal churches where Acts 2:38 is maybe preferred but not taught as essential or perhaps doesn't go at all anymore.
Aquila isn't as bitter but still holds to private interpretation. Whatever church he attends he's either an outlier or it's a church most mainstream apostolic wouldn't recognize as apostolic .

Right on the money, especially with Esaias.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Amanah

it is weird, I don't know anyone who dropped standards and kept the message, I don't understand how that works.

There are plenty.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I see former members on facebook, pics of them in bikinis, with Tattoos, drinking at the bars, they believed saved at repentance now, visited awhile back to see old friends, It was like being in a Baptist church, AoG would have been a big step up.

Dropping "standards" doesn't lead to worldliness. It sounds like your friends on Facebook love the world.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Amanah

it is weird, I don't know anyone who dropped standards and kept the message, I don't understand how that works.

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I have friends and family members who have dropped standards.
None of them have children who hold to Acts 2:38 and Oneness.
And I agree with you, I do not understand how that works.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I have quite a few friends who have left the UPC who still believe in Acts 2:38.

Did they just leave the UPC or did they drop the standards. The statement was about dropping standards, not leaving the UPC.

I know several who dropped standards and now don't believe the New Birth message. They now believe the HG is just some added benefit...a "prayer language" but not part of salvation.

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

What I am here for, and many people don't understand, is to help those who are in a miserable mind prison find their way out. Fences aren't all bad. It's when people say "You need my fence or you are lost" and even more importantly, when someone believes they need someone else's fence or they are lost, that is an even bigger problem yet because it could be that that fence is keeping them from a closer walk with God for their own life because they are following a fence not create for them.

Not your job.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Not your job.

That is not for you to determine.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

No problem! For some people, staying seems to be the right decision, keeping standards seems to be the right decision. I am not here to judge that. For some who leave, they get into big trouble and they are better off being in the UPC. For those people, I would rather that they stayed because the UPC and standards seems to be a fence they need in their life. So, I am not here to destroy that. What I am here for, and many people don't understand, is to help those who are in a miserable mind prison find their way out. Fences aren't all bad. It's when people say "You need my fence or you are lost" and even more importantly, when someone believes they need someone else's fence or they are lost, that is an even bigger problem yet because it could be that that fence is keeping them from a closer walk with God for their own life because they are following a fence not create for them.

So lots of women out there who will have a closer walk with God if they just cut their hair?

Wow.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

Right on the money, especially with Esaias.

I won't even attend a meeting unless I can have the back pew all to myself.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I won't even attend a meeting unless I can have the back pew all to myself.

I sit in the foyer.