Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge - Page 33

Evang.Benincasa · #**321** 09-20-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Phenomenon of Pentecost.

I'll read it again.

Esaias · #**322** 09-20-2017, 01:34 PM

I can see Ewart having what some call a PCI view, but the modern so called PCI view would probably not fit the bill.

Steve Epley · #**323** 09-20-2017, 02:54 PM

Cook was a new birth man

Esaias · #**324** 09-20-2017, 03:14 PM

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Cook was a new birth man

That's what I always thought.

derAlte · #**325** 09-20-2017, 03:58 PM

Back to subject of the thread. Tom Fudge makes this assertion on the first page of the introduction:

“There are two kinds of people in this book: guards and explorers, who might also be characterized as pilgrims and settlers.”

I found this to be a very interesting observation. I’ve been chewing it over for several days trying to make sense of it. How would you brethren interpret this?

Evang.Benincasa · #**326** 09-20-2017, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by derAlte

Back to subject of the thread. Tom Fudge makes this assertion on the first page of the introduction:

“There are two kinds of people in this book: guards and explorers, who might also be characterized as pilgrims and settlers.”

I found this to be a very interesting observation. I’ve been chewing it over for several days trying to make sense of it. How would you brethren interpret this?

But Fudge has agenda behind those words. Guards are what we are called to be, "Defenders of the Faith?" Explorers and Pilgrims are certainly NOT what we are supposed to be. The Apostolic truth of New Birth in Jesus name is Biblical fact. Settlers settle on the property they were given, and they KEEP IT for generations handing it down to all their descendants. Hey, Fudge went native, and wrote a book trying to show that we were as new and as confused as the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.

Evang.Benincasa · #**327** 09-20-2017, 11:48 PM

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Fudge reminds me of a scientist who writes out his hypothesis, then sets out trying to find the proof by throwing out everything that disagrees with it...

derAlte · #**328** 09-21-2017, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But Fudge has agenda behind those words. Guards are what we are called to be, "Defenders of the Faith?" Explorers and Pilgrims are certainly NOT what we are supposed to be. The Apostolic truth of New Birth in Jesus name is Biblical fact. Settlers settle on the property they were given, and they KEEP IT for generations handing it down to all their descendants. Hey, Fudge went native, and wrote a book trying to show that we were as new and as confused as the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.

You make a valid point. Perhaps what Fudge missed, steeped in the humanistic philosophy of his extensive liberal arts education which began under the tutelage of Don Fisher, was the role of the Holy Ghost in all of this. I sense that he admires these early Pentecostal pioneers as courageous men who were not afraid to step out and make a stand for new revelation. But he assumes, perhaps unconsciously, that they themselves were the ones calling the shots in their spiritual journey…that they were smart guys who figured out the truth for themselves. Perhaps he sees himself in the same light.

From the Scripture, God clearly wants Himself to be in the lead role. When the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth. To me, this journey is less Christopher Columbus or Ferdinand Magellan courageously venturing out into the great unknown but more the folks who followed Daniel Boone into Kentucky. We’re not the discoverers…we have a Guide.

The Scripture does use the term pilgrim. One translation renders “pilgrims and strangers” as foreigners and temporary residents on the earth. Found in Hebrews 11, the chapter describes men and women who had faith in God and allowed Him to lead them. They weren’t just restless and aimless wanderers, going withersoever they pleased. They were folks who knew this world was not their home and that they were just a-passing through but were on a journey with God Himself as their Leader.

Evang.Benincasa · #**329** 09-21-2017, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by derAlte

You make a valid point. Perhaps what Fudge missed, steeped in the humanistic philosophy of his extensive liberal arts education which began under the tutelage of Don Fisher, was the role of the Holy Ghost in all of this. I sense that he admires these early Pentecostal pioneers as courageous men who were not afraid to step out and make a stand for new revelation. But he assumes, perhaps unconsciously, that they themselves were the ones calling the shots in their spiritual journey…that they were smart guys who figured out the truth for themselves. Perhaps he sees himself in the same light.

From the Scripture, God clearly wants Himself to be in the lead role. When the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth. To me, this journey is less Christopher Columbus or Ferdinand Magellan courageously venturing out into the great unknown but more the folks who followed Daniel Boone into Kentucky. We’re not the discoverers…we have a Guide.

The Scripture does use the term pilgrim. One translation renders “pilgrims and strangers” as foreigners and temporary residents on the earth. Found in Hebrews 11, the chapter describes men and women who had faith in God and allowed Him to lead them. They weren’t just restless and aimless wanderers, going withersoever they pleased. They were folks who knew this world was not their home and that they were just a-passing through but were on a journey with God Himself as their Leader.

Bravo, excellent post.

Amanah · #**330** 09-21-2017, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by derAlte

You make a valid point. Perhaps what Fudge missed, steeped in the humanistic philosophy of his extensive liberal arts education which began under the tutelage of Don Fisher, was the role of the Holy Ghost in all of this. I sense that he admires these early Pentecostal pioneers as courageous men who were not afraid to step out and make a stand for new revelation. But he assumes, perhaps unconsciously, that they themselves were the ones calling the shots in their spiritual journey…that they were smart guys who figured out the truth for themselves. Perhaps he sees himself in the same light.

From the Scripture, God clearly wants Himself to be in the lead role. When the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth. To me, this journey is less Christopher Columbus or Ferdinand Magellan courageously venturing out into the great unknown but more the folks who followed Daniel Boone into Kentucky. We’re not the discoverers…we have a Guide.

The Scripture does use the term pilgrim. One translation renders “pilgrims and strangers” as foreigners and temporary residents on the earth. Found in Hebrews 11, the chapter describes men and women who had faith in God and allowed Him to lead them. They weren’t just restless and aimless wanderers, going withersoever they pleased. They were folks who knew this world was not their home and that they were just a-passing through but were on a journey with God Himself as their Leader.

Amen, thank you for posting, I'm enjoying your posts.