Help please on a research topic

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Biblical and doctrinal illiteracy are rampant in both camps. Our camp is too busy "shouting" while their camp is focused on "your best life now" and "happiness".

I think it is Honorable for a person to become scripturally minded and a student of the Bible, but the thing that is not honorable is when a person becomes a student of commentaries, then ceases to agree with the Bible as it is seen in its content.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by houston

Have you met a New Calvinist?

No, but please clue me in.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I guess it can only be judged "true" or "untrue" (as to the question of orthodoxy) depending on the beliefs of individual Trinitarians.

Brother, Oneness Pentecostals really aren't "Modalists" like many non-Apostolic Christians think.

I was raised with some would call a, "hyper-Oneness" point of view and it was that point of view that was reinforced in the fellowships I attended from a boy to young adulthood in DC, MD, NC, Japan, and AL.

"Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Holy Ghost. All Three are One."

Still, even this ^^^ is not Modalism.

I hope you do well with your research paper!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Holy Ghost. All Three are One."

Still, even this ^^^ is not Modalism.

Says who? Not trying to argue, just wondering who has the keys to the definitional kingdom (whatsoever ye define, shall not be redefined, etc)?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Says who? Not trying to argue, just wondering who has the keys to the definitional kingdom (whatsoever ye define, shall not be redefined, etc)?

Could you be clearer with your question?

[Scott Pitta]

Everyone seems to stumble over the terms involved. That is what Ken Haney told us.

He was right.

[Michael The Disciple]

Andrew Urshan. According to Frank Ewart:

Throughout the years he has stood unequivocally for the absolute deity of Jesus and baptism in his name.

The Phenomenom Of Pentecost by Frank Ewart Page 123.

Ewart was the ringleader of the Oneness faction of the modern Pentecostal movement.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Brother, Oneness Pentecostals really aren't "Modalists" like many non-Apostolic Christians think.

I was raised with some would call a, "hyper-Oneness" point of view and it was that point of view that was reinforced in the fellowships I attended from a boy to young adulthood in DC, MD, NC, Japan, and AL.

"Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Holy Ghost. All Three are One."

Still, even this ^^^ is not Modalism.

I hope you do well with your research paper!

I appreciate that!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Dan Segraves wrote a scholary thesis about Andrew Urshan. Urshan also spilled his own share of ink and most of his books can be found at Amazon. Depending on where you are a student, they might be found in your seminary library.

Generally speaking, a church is a "cult" if it does not adhere to cardinal doctrines. One of those "cardinal" doctrines is the belief in the trinity. So by that standard, any church that does not belief in the trinity fits into the "cult" category.

In practice, some UPC ministers are reject anyone who believes differently than they do. Some do not.

I have seen this first hand when calling ministers and pastors about my book project. Some UPC ministers are outstanding in every way. Real diplomats and are the epitome of grace and intelligence.

Other UPC ministers have nothing to do with me at all because I am not "one of them".

In the academic world, the UPC is treated as peers. Especially in the Society of Pentecostal Studies. Especially among Pentecostal historians. So it depends on which social circle you measure.

Thanks for the input. I just bought Segraves book.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

On paper, Oneness does not fit under the umbrella of Trinitarian thought.

In practice, there is a wide diversity of thought about the nature of God.

To a nonchristian, they would appear to be 2 sides of the same coin.

Urshan and Goss famously described God as "tri-unity" instead of trinity.

But please remember, the Oneness ministers, including Urshan, left the AOG over this very issue.

I beg to differ. They left the AG because the classical Trinitarian constituents instituted a coup and forced upon the Oneness adherents a statement of faith they knew the OP's could not endorse. Had the AG remained neutral, those men might not have left.