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Originally Posted by houston
I don’t know who the he77 you think you’re addressing.Matters not how many times you posted it, I never read it. So why would I celebrate your “love” if it was assumed that you’re living in sin?
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I'm not sure where your animosity is coming from. But you asked a fair question. I'll answer...
According to numerous churches, even if a couple were to "remarry" with a civil marriage (which you advocate) they would still be "living in sin". Yet, others would say they are not if their ex was unfaithful. Yet, others would include Pauline Privilege. Opinions and interpretations on this a varied across the board. Where we often go wrong is when we try to "pin the sin on the sinner". We begin to
judge according to our "interpretation" instead of hearing the matter, or even seeking to understand what has happened or why it has happened.
I respect what you believe, even if I disagree with your interpretation. You believe that unless one has a license and a certificate issued by the state, they can't possibly be married. And many share your interpretation. But if we step back, this would mean (according to your interpretation) that many Quakers, Fundamental Baptists, sovereign citizens, libertarians, Conservative Reformed, and those who are a part of various patriot movements are "living in sin" if they establish unions outside of the civil institution of marriage.
Please understand, this position isn't about just shacking up willy nilly. Necessary wills and powers of attorney are in place to provide 99% of the same rights as any couple in a civil marriage. About the only thing couples in sovereign Christian marriages can't do that those in a civil marriage can do is file taxes jointly.
If someone just shacked up and argued that they were "married", I'd disagree. They aren't. Have they legally put in place the necessary wills and powers of attorney that essentially allows them to function on the other's behalf legally? Do they plan to? Are those plans in motion?
If anyone thinks that sovereign Christian marriages are just "shacking up" they're ignorant of what sovereign Christian marriage is. If they accuse people of just "shacking up" when they've legally put in place necessary wills and powers of attorney to secure 99% of the rights of any other couple in a civil marriage, they're misrepresenting and slandering those persons.
A main stream evangelical website titled, GotQuestions.org, is typically pretty balanced. When answering the question, "What constitutes marriage according to the Bible?" (
https://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-constitutes.html), it gives three criteria that the author believes "
should" be met:
1.) Government recognition.
2.) Cultural ceremony or recognition.
3.) Consummation.
However, in the short article, the author explains the prevailing interpretations with their strengths and weaknesses. Ultimately the author states:
What if one or more of these principles are not fulfilled? Is such a couple still considered married in God’s eyes? Ultimately, that is between the couple and God. God knows our hearts (1 John 3:20). God knows the difference between a true marriage covenant and an attempt to justify sexual immorality.
Bro. Houston, what we see here from the author is intellectual honesty and wisdom. He isn't playing, "pin the sin on the sinner". He's not going to use "his" understanding to condemn untold numbers of believers who might be Quakers or of another interpretation as though he alone is their Lord. He ultimately leaves the judgment on this complex issue... to God.
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Furthermore, I would not celebrate anyone’s “love” if they were to post their experience here. No one needs to know what you do naked in your kitchen. That is a very distasteful thing to post, especially in the company of women.
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You ever do something you look back on and think, "Man, I should have done that differently?" This is one of those moments for me. I do apologize for being perhaps too open in the topic. What was in my mind was a rather joyous and perhaps romantic kind of morning for a loving couple. I meant no disrespect, I honestly didn't. That was the farthest thing from my intentions. I'm a member of several different forums where there is mixed company, but all are adults, and we talk about marriage, kids, intimacy, work, etc. Perhaps I didn't consider the sensitivities I'd encounter here. Again, I do apologize. I admit I should have done better, and I commit to thinking twice on any issue of an intimate nature next time. Please accept my apology.
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I am not married. And I have no sexual hangups. I could tell of experiences that would make Jezebel and Mary Magdalene look like saints..
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Well, I think we can both agree that this isn't the time or place to elaborate.
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So sit back down, little boy. I’m not buying into your victim complex.
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Name calling. Real mature there Houston. Real mature.
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