Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy - Page 61

Originalist · #**601** 11-23-2017, 03:37 PM

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6th vial/angel......

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

6th seal.....

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

No similarities.

Both ending at the same place, the end. Obviously the same incident (the end) told from different points of view will have different details, like the gospels. Ironically though, Jesus interjects at the time you claim that he should have already come that "Behold, I come (still future tense) as a thief". Here we see his words in Matthew 24 being fulfilled of false Christs and mass demonic deception. Thus men will have been deluded and his coming will catch them off guard. Verse 16 then jumps ahead to right before Christ returns at the Battle of Armageddon. Thus it does match 12-14 as those events start unfolding during the battle.

But as is the case every time your arguments are annihilated, you just pretend you didn't notice. Pretending not to lose is your little make-believe world.

Sean · #**602** 11-23-2017, 08:11 PM

I can see you have all of your rhetorical defenses up like Esaias uses when backed into a corner.

Chapter 6 says islands moved.

Chapter 16 says islands vanished, using the same terminology as the earth and heavens in the white throne judgement(chapter 20).

Your proposal makes either one an exaggeration of Jesus Christ.

Not cool.

Sean · #**603** 11-23-2017, 08:16 PM

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Rev 6.....

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Here the Islands/mountains were shifted.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Here the islands and mountains of Rome vanished.

Yep, God is not exaggerating.

The 1st catastrophe only moves the islands and mountains, the latter catastrophe eliminates them completely, along with various new plagues.

Originalist · #**604** 11-23-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I can see you have all of your rhetorical defenses up like Esaias uses when backed into a corner.

Chapter 6 says islands moved.

Chapter 16 says islands vanished, using the same terminology as the earth and heavens in the white throne judgement(chapter 20).

Your proposal makes either one an exaggeration of Jesus Christ.

Not cool.

And yours have them vanishing twice. It's all right there in front of you and you refuse to see it. Most curious.

Sean · #**605** 11-23-2017, 08:41 PM

Moved is not vanished. Dont butcher Rev. It has a nasty curse at the end of it for subtracting plagues.

Originalist · #**606** 11-23-2017, 08:41 PM

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Yep, God is not exaggerating.

The 1st catastrophe only moves the islands and mountains, the latter catastrophe eliminates them completely, along with various new plagues.

Wrong. The Greek word actually means "to remove". It's the same thing. Another thing that has been removed is your argument.

Originalist · #**607** 11-23-2017, 08:42 PM

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Both ending at the same place, the end. Obviously the same incident (the end) told from different points of view will have different details, like the gospels. Ironically though, Jesus interjects at the time you claim that he should have already come that "Behold, I come (still future tense) as a thief". Here we see his words in Matthew 24 being fulfilled of false Christs and mass demonic deception. Thus men will have been deluded and his coming will catch them off guard. Verse 16 then jumps ahead to right before Christ returns at the Battle of Armageddon. Thus it does match 12-14 as those events start unfolding during the battle.

But as is the case every time your arguments are annihilated, you just pretend you didn't notice. Pretending not to lose is your little make-believe world.

And you're doing it again. You just shift, dodge, and try to move to a different point.