Apostoic worship??

[Esaias]

What is "worship"? Is it mood music and the "feelings" that music generates in us? Is it us doing things to psyche ourselves into feeling something? To the point where many will literally pretend to "feel the power/fire/water/wind/anointing" or whatever, and jerk, twitch, jump, roll around, scream, etc as they LARP their way through yet another otherwise anemic fundraising service for the clown in the fancy monkey-suit up on stage?

Worship is translated in the Bible from several terms, the most common being proskeuno. That term is a euphemism for prostration (bowing), but has a more literal meaning describing what a dog does when it licks his master's hand. In other words, worship is an expression in the physical world whereby one expresses their acknowledgment of another's superiority and graciousness. It is both an expression of obeisance, respect, and submission, as well as thankfulness, appreciation, and love.

It is NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM a "feeling", although a Christian's worship ought to flow with great feeling. Worship can stimulate feeling, as well. Yes, you can praise until you start to feel it, and you can pray until you feel it. But the feeling is not worship, nor is the feeling a barometer of the worship as to its acceptability to God, its propriety, or its spirituality.

Right worship may not induce any feeling in you at all. The problem is you, not the worship. And, the wrong worship can induce all sorts of ecstacies, or none at all. Therefore, how you feel is an indication of NOTHING except how you feel. It has no bearing on whether or not worship is good or bad or whatnot.

Worship is also divine service. The priests engaged in certain actions as worship, or divine service, illustrating who their God is and who they served. Under the new covenant, divine service continues although under new covenant forms. That includes such things as prayer, preaching, alms giving, praise and thanksgiving, supporting the spread of the gospel with your resources, assembling with fellow saints, etc. And music (actually, SINGING) has a role in that.

To reduce worship to just the music and how it makes one feel, is not only unbiblical and reductionistic, but selfish.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What is "worship"? Is it mood music and the "feelings" that music generates in us? Is it us doing things to psyche ourselves into feeling something? To the point where many will literally pretend to "feel the power/fire/water/wind/anointing" or whatever, and jerk, twitch, jump, roll around, scream, etc as they LARP their way through yet another otherwise anemic fundraising service for the clown in the fancy monkey-suit up on stage?

Worship is translated in the Bible from several terms, the most common being proskeuno. That term is a euphemism for prostration (bowing), but has a more literal meaning describing what a dog does when it licks his master's hand. In other words, worship is an expression in the physical world whereby one expresses their acknowledgment of another's superiority and graciousness. It is both an expression of obeisance, respect, and submission, as well as thankfulness, appreciation, and love.

It is NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM a "feeling", although a Christian's worship ought to flow with great feeling. Worship can stimulate feeling, as well. Yes, you can praise until you start to feel it, and you can pray until you feel it. But the feeling is not worship, nor is the feeling a barometer of the worship as to its acceptability to God, its propriety, or its spirituality.

Right worship may not induce any feeling in you at all. The problem is you, not the worship. And, the wrong worship can induce all sorts of ecstacies, or none at all. Therefore, how you feel is an indication of NOTHING except how you feel. It has no bearing on whether or not worship is good or bad or whatnot.

Worship is also divine service. The priests engaged in certain actions as worship, or divine service, illustrating who their God is and who they served. Under the new covenant, divine service continues although under new covenant forms. That includes such things as prayer, preaching, alms giving, praise and thanksgiving, supporting the spread of the gospel with your resources, assembling with fellow saints, etc. And music (actually, SINGING) has a role in that.

To reduce worship to just the music and how it makes one feel, is not only unbiblical and reductionistic, but selfish.

Awesome!

Esaias, is this in a teaching you put together? Did you put this into an audio?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I can't find it in the thread, but what blow torched Aquila? Brother Esaias, did you have a EVang.Benincasa moment?

lol

Maybe he caught my "bishops" remark in the other thread?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Awesome!

Esaias, is this in a teaching you put together? Did you put this into an audio?

No, it's just what I was taught waaaaay back when I first came into this thing called the Gospel, plus a bit of studying in the Word over the years, with a dash of observation of people and their habits.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

No, it's just what I was taught waaaaay back when I first came into this thing called the Gospel, plus a bit of studying in the Word over the years, with a dash of observation of people and their habits.

You should make all of these audio files on put them on line.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

lol

Maybe he caught my "bishops" remark in the other thread?

Ah, a little exposing the shapeshifters.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I can't find it in the thread, but what blow torched Aquila? Brother Esaias, did you have a EVang.Benincasa moment?

Maybe Aquila was trying to become MTD’s friend.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You should make all of these audio files on put them on line.

I did a short teaching once on worship, pointing out the word implies prostration. And how when people came before a king they not only knelt down, but laid out flat on their face with arms stretched out forward.

This did several things.

1. It showed they had no weapons in their hands, and meant no ill, they were not enemies.

2. It exposed their neck, putting them in a very vulnerable position to the king or his servants.

3. It kept one from really seeing what the king or his guards were doing thus demonstrating trust.

4. It placed you in a vulnerable position that prevented you from being able to defend yourself, again displaying trust.

Worship then is when we come to God without fighting Him or His will, with total trust in His goodness, completely vulnerable in that we are willing for HIM to hold all the cards and dispose of us as He sees fit, with no resistance on our part.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Maybe Aquila was trying to become MTD’s friend.

For some reason that sounds creepy? Like Stephen King "IT" creepy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I did a short teaching once on worship, pointing out the word implies prostration. And how when people came before a king they not only knelt down, but laid out flat on their face with arms stretched out forward.

This did several things.

1. It showed they had no weapons in their hands, and meant no ill, they were not enemies.

2. It exposed their neck, putting them in a very vulnerable position to the king or his servants.

3. It kept one from really seeing what the king or his guards were doing thus demonstrating trust.

4. It placed you in a vulnerable position that prevented you from being able to defend yourself, again displaying trust.

Worship then is when we come to God without fighting Him or His will, with total trust in His goodness, completely vulnerable in that we are willing for HIM to hold all the cards and dispose of us as He sees fit, with no resistance on our part.

Excellent!!!!!

Put this on an audio.