Wine vs Grape Juice

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I agree that wine is for communion.

I do not agree that wine is NOT for social drinking.

This issue amuses me. Why do we teach against drinking? We all know the drill. How many weddings (weddings are social occasions), have we attended where the minister performing the ceremony invokes the scripture that Jesus' first miracle was performed at a wedding? It is used to lend credibility to the marriage ceremony, as it should be. Have you heard this?

Now that almost everybody is waving their hands, let me ask this. How many times have you heard it commented on that Jesus' first miracle was making wine, out of water?! I'm not seeing as many hands, for some odd reason.

It is a cultural thing. Perhaps it is a remnant of our puritanical roots. It is however, NOT based on Bible.

Wine was for social drinking. It still is. It was for celebrations. It still is for celebrations. It was for everyday consumption. It still is.

Jesus drank wine. Paul instructed Timothy to drink a little wine for his health. This is all found in the scripture.

I am feeling convicted. I have a dirty little secret.


I don't drink wine or ANY alcoholic beverages.

Do you think there is any hope for me to be saved?

I am so ashamed. And I pretend to be a follower of Christ! I need to do better. Lord, I hope it is not a salvational issue.




Maybe I'll go out and buy a bottle of wine. But what if my church members (or my pastor), see me?

What's a body to do.

(sigh)

Wine was used as drink with meals because of the fermentation helps digestion. Same thing with other middle eastern fermented foods or beverages. Yet, while we may be able to do these things it might not be profitable. Because not everyone is a church disgruntle, having problems with Christian culture of separation from the culture around you. You might be worried about a pastor seeing you, but your church circles aren't the problem. It is the unchurched who might walk away with the wrong idea.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Wine was used as drink with meals because of the fermentation helps digestion. Same thing with other middle eastern fermented foods or beverages. Yet, while we may be able to do these things it might not be profitable. Because not everyone is a church disgruntle, having problems with Christian culture of separation from the culture around you. You might be worried about a pastor seeing you, but your church circles aren't the problem. It is the unchurched who might walk away with the wrong idea.

Again as with the tithing, this issue needs to be taught from a point of truth not slanted to what we want it to say.

Biblical wine was NOT simply grape juice.

Ive done a great deal of research on fermentation and there is enough yeast on the grape skins to start the conversions from sugar to alcohol which stops around 14% alcohol by volume.

The only way they were drinking it non alcoholic was if it was right off the vine because without the process of pasteurization that yeast is gonna do its thing.

I do NOT drink anymore but it was allowed in scripture and even hints that things like mead were allowed when it says they can sell the tithe for money and buy whatever they desired even STRONG DRINK.

It not about making things permissible...its about honesty...last time I checked, lying would send you to hell.*not accusing you of lying*

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Again as with the tithing, this issue needs to be taught from a point of truth not slanted to what we want it to say.

Biblical wine was NOT simply grape juice.

Ive done a great deal of research on fermentation and there is enough yeast on the grape skins to start the conversions from sugar to alcohol which stops around 14% alcohol by volume.

The only way they were drinking it non alcoholic was if it was right off the vine because without the process of pasteurization that yeast is gonna do its thing.

I do NOT drink anymore but it was allowed in scripture and even hints that things like mead were allowed when it says they can sell the tithe for money and buy whatever they desired even STRONG DRINK.

It not about making things permissible...its about honesty...last time I checked, lying would send you to hell.*not accusing you of lying*

Yes, strong drink was allowed, but no over drinking the strong drink.
That would be left up to the individual's constitution.

Still, me kicking back with a "flagon" of dark stout just won't look good.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes, strong drink was allowed, but no over drinking the strong drink.
That would be left up to the individual's constitution.

Still, me kicking back with a "flagon" of dark stout just won't look good.

Raisin cakes instead?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Raisin cakes instead?

Way back when in another time in a galaxy far far way, I had a friend who use to ferment raisins it was like prison pruno. It was nasty, it was like sweet shoe polish.

[Tithesmeister]

Just a question? Is it okay ���� to drink �� �� �� a LITTLE wine as long as you don’t enjoy �� it TOO much? Ummmm . . . Only for religious reasons, of course!

Annnd . . . How often should a man take communion??? Is it still communion if you take it every day???

Just asking . . . You know for a friend of course

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Just a question? Is it okay ���� to drink �� �� �� a LITTLE wine as long as you don’t enjoy �� it TOO much? Ummmm . . . Only for religious reasons, of course!

Annnd . . . How often should a man take communion??? Is it still communion if you take it every day???

Just asking . . . You know for a friend of course

What does winebibber and glutinous have to do with each other?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What does winebibber and glutinous have to do with each other?

Jesus was accused of both?

[Tithesmeister]

“It not about making things permissible...its about honesty...last time I checked, lying would send you to hell.”

That’s what I’m talking about!!

Preach on!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Sean, you should be ashamed! Here we are being all serious, yea even feeling conviction, and you are being funny.

And that WAS funny though.

LOL