Wine vs Grape Juice - Page 8

Tithesmeister · #71 01-06-2018, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Take another look at the verse.

Wine itself is considered excess, or excessive drinking is considered excess?

Because if the excess is in the wine, Jesus and the apostles were in excess when they took the Lord’s supper. We certainly would not want to take communion with wine if the excess were in the wine.

It seems that the belief that the excess being in the wine, would be somewhat similar to the idea that the excess is in the food, (in the case of gluttony ).

Sean · #72 01-06-2018, 05:30 PM

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Why flirt with an anti-Spirit drink?

Sean · #73 01-06-2018, 05:31 PM

Is the new wine a replacement for the old wine, or does the old wine compliment the new wine?

Tithesmeister · #74 01-06-2018, 05:42 PM

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And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Why flirt with an anti-Spirit drink?

I’m not flirting. I’m saying that Jesus drank wine. So to argue against what Jesus did, and what the apostles did, seems odd to me. Not odd in a way that it is unusual, I understand that it happens all the time, but odd in a way that we try to justify it with scripture.

I can believe that you shouldn’t drink.

I don’t believe that you should teach against something (drinking) that Jesus did, and all of the apostles with Him.

Do you believe that God’s spirit left Jesus when He drank?

Exactly how many glasses of wine would Jesus need to drink before the Holy Ghost departed from Him?

This seems to be your line of reasoning.

Tithesmeister · #75 01-06-2018, 05:44 PM

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Is the new wine a replacement for the old wine, or does the old wine compliment the new wine?

Neither. They are not related. The old wine is a type, it is NOT replacement theology.

mfblume · #76 01-06-2018, 05:52 PM

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the old wine is a type, it is not replacement theology.

lololol

Sean · #77 01-06-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I’m not flirting. I’m saying that Jesus drank wine. So to argue against what Jesus did, and what the apostles did, seems odd to me. Not odd in a way that it is unusual, I understand that it happens all the time, but odd in a way that we try to justify it with scripture.

I can believe that you shouldn’t drink.

I don’t believe that you should teach against something (drinking) that Jesus did, and all of the apostles with Him.

Do you believe that God’s spirit left Jesus when He drank?

Exactly how many glasses of wine would Jesus need to drink before the Holy Ghost departed from Him?

This seems to be your line of reasoning.

It is.

The verse contrasts wine drinking Vs Spirit infilling.
Now. We must find out how much wine undoes the Spirit infilling.

Shall we teach using something recreationally that can undo the Spirit Infilling?