Apostoic worship?? - Page 46

Aquila · #**451** 01-10-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship.

In what post did Michael do that? And what should Michael have said to gain your "approval" or "agreement"?

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I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices.

Is Michael a member of the, International House of Pancakes?

Evang.Benincasa · #**452** 01-10-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship. I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices. Then you came along and derailed the whole conversation into a personal thing. Always about YOU PERSONALLY.

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

But notice what's behind all you silly girly boy antics: a distraction from the subject and the question "what does THE BIBLE say?" Like I said, your problems are bigger than you realize. And, no, AFF isn't going to solve them.

As for brother Michael, believe me, he doesn't need you to play white knight. He and I BOTH have a no-holds-barred view of certain things, we have known each other longer than YOU'VE been around these parts, and we get along just fine.

You need to "contemplate" why your posts and threads seem "centered" on the Outer Limits, psychism, witchcraft, ghosts, demons, etc instead of THE WORD.

As Houston said, dont even play off like you're gonna tell us what "old time Pentecost" is about. You left that, remember? You can't handle "old time Pentecost".

Amen

Aquila · #**453** 01-10-2018, 10:34 AM

Interesting... Michael offers some insight to his past and personal feelings...

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If worship had been like this when I was a young person I would have begged my folks to take me to Church.

Jon Thurlo ONE THING 2017.

Personally, I'd have asked why Michael felt that way. But Michael's post solicited this:

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Originally Posted by Esaias

An alt-rock concert? Van Halen put on a better show by far. And Judas Priest was even better than them.

People have substituted entertainment for worship, lighting and "atmospherics" for the presence of God, and feelings for the power of God. Thus, here we are, 21st century religion, Bread and Circus Worship "Experiences" to suit every taste and want, and a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord.

Michael offers his opinion, revealing that he obviously enjoys the style of the music (which honestly, I'm not that big on personally):

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I know of no more glorious and heavenly worship. I doubt this side of heaven it will be found.

And so how much time did you watch this before pronouncing your judgment? Not much would be my guess.

And Esaias responds

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't get into the deeply emotional forms of worship, to me it's much like mood music. I'm often concerned that people get too wrapped up in the effect of the music than they do actually experiencing Jesus in a genuine act of worship.

Oh... wait... I'm mistaken. Esaias actually responded:

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you serious? The guy is deep in bed with heretics and charlatans, and somehow there's nothing more glorious this side of heaven? Its mood music and emotionalism, Jesus is your boyfriend effeminate soft-rock concert standard TBN type stuff.

Can you feel the love of Jesus emanating from Esaias' posts? I sure can.

Aquila · #**454** 01-10-2018, 10:38 AM

And for the record... I'd rather listen to a three year old bang pots and pans together in the name of Jesus than even imply that the likes of Van Halen or Judas Priest was better to listen to.

Aquila · #**455** 01-10-2018, 10:47 AM

I'm far more interested in what forms of worship we engage in and why. I'm not at all interested in hearing someone's style or methods of worship be called, "thumb-sucking, red diaper-doper baby, pseudo-worship for spiritual infants", or something like that.

How do you guys string together those insulting terms and phrases that you say about things and people you don't like? Do you guys take a class to learn how to do that? Or can you recommend a book title? Or is it just a natural talent you've dedicated specifically to the glory of the Lord? Do you sit around giving each other "high-fives" based on the length of the statement or irony of the related content?

n david · #**456** 01-10-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

And for the record... I'd rather listen to a three year old bang pots and pans together in the name of Jesus than even imply that the likes of Van Halen or Judas Priest was better to listen to.

Again you're not being honest with what was posted.

Read the quote again: """An alt-rock concert? Van Halen put on a better show by far. And Judas Priest was even better than them."""

He didn't say they were better to listen to, he said they put on a better show.

Aquila · #**457** 01-10-2018, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Again you're not being honest with what was posted.

Read the quote again: """An alt-rock concert? Van Halen put on a better show by far. And Judas Priest was even better than them."""

He didn't say they were better to listen to, he said they put on a better show.

Since they are music groups, wouldn't a "better show" include the production of better music? And isn't better music defined as being music that better suits the listener's ear? Or is the statement strictly talking about the stage design, pyro-technics, and concert lights?

n david · #**458** 01-10-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Since they are music groups, wouldn't a "better show" include the production of better music? And isn't better music defined as being music that better suits the listener's ear? Or is the statement strictly talking about the stage design, pyro-technics, and concert lights?

What followed in that post should answer your question:

""People have substituted entertainment for worship, lighting and "atmospherics" for the presence of God, and feelings for the power of God.""

Aquila · #**459** 01-10-2018, 11:06 AM

Has anyone here listened to Selah's Greatest Hymns album? Believe it or not, that's still my personal favorite to worship to around the house. lol

*Disclaimer. Indications of liking any album, song, or track produced by Selah doesn't indicate a knowledge of, or agreement with, any theological position held, or implied, by Selah or any label, advertiser, distributor, associated fan base, or house of worship associated with Selah or any member therein.

Aquila · #**460** 01-10-2018, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

What followed in that post should answer your question:

""People have substituted entertainment for worship, lighting and "atmospherics" for the presence of God, and feelings for the power of God.""

Ah, got it.

Personally, I think IHOP has more tasteful stage management than Van Halen or Judas Priest. But that's just me.