Reconciling and purifying Heaven?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's like a message, the blood from the sacrifice is applied to the temple of heaven indicating we were cleansed to enter there.

What about the idea that the sanctuary "bore the sins" of the people all the time, and needed to be atoned for or cleansed or purified from the sins of the people in order to make it capable of making an atonement for the people?

The priest "bore the sins of the people" upon himself (symbolically), and apparently the furniture of the Temple did likewise. Thus, they needed to be cleansed periodically. This was a figure of what was to happen in heaven, as the blood of Jesus not only cleansed us, but also heaven itself. not that heaven had any sin of its own, but rather that it served as the heavenly counterpart to the earthly tabernacle which "bore the sins of the people".

The sins of the people were constantly being "placed" upon the furniture of the Temple, so there must be a heavenly counterpart to this? Perhaps the "long suffering of God"?

Interestingly, I think there is a tie in to what happened when Noah came out of the ark, but I'll have to flesh it out a bit. Short story is that when Noah came out, he made a sacrifice, the first of its kind in Scripture, and as a result of his mediation God promised to hold off destroying mankind by a flood. So it seems that there is a connection between the mediation of Noah, the sacrifice ascending to heaven, and God's long suffering or patience in dealing with mankind and his sins. Perhaps the whole burnt offering indicated the sins ascending to heaven to be dealt with by God in some sense? And thus, from Noah's day onward there was a situation in heaven, mirrored by the Tabernacle/Temple rituals, which was finally dealt with by Christ?

[Amanah]

In the OT sacrifices were needed continually, but in the NT Jesus takes care of it permanently (Hebrews 7). When we obey the gospel we are in Christ and are justified. There is no more sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 10)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What about the idea that the sanctuary "bore the sins" of the people all the time, and needed to be atoned for or cleansed or purified from the sins of the people in order to make it capable of making an atonement for the people?

The priest "bore the sins of the people" upon himself (symbolically), and apparently the furniture of the Temple did likewise. Thus, they needed to be cleansed periodically. This was a figure of what was to happen in heaven, as the blood of Jesus not only cleansed us, but also heaven itself. not that heaven had any sin of its own, but rather that it served as the heavenly counterpart to the earthly tabernacle which "bore the sins of the people".

The sins of the people were constantly being "placed" upon the furniture of the Temple, so there must be a heavenly counterpart to this? Perhaps the "long suffering of God"?

Interestingly, I think there is a tie in to what happened when Noah came out of the ark, but I'll have to flesh it out a bit. Short story is that when Noah came out, he made a sacrifice, the first of its kind in Scripture, and as a result of his mediation God promised to hold off destroying mankind by a flood. So it seems that there is a connection between the mediation of Noah, the sacrifice ascending to heaven, and God's long suffering or patience in dealing with mankind and his sins. Perhaps the whole burnt offering indicated the sins ascending to heaven to be dealt with by God in some sense? And thus, from Noah's day onward there was a situation in heaven, mirrored by the Tabernacle/Temple rituals, which wasfinally dealt with by Christ?

Nice

[Amanah]

It seems in the OT that God was edgy, animal sacrifices were barely holding back his wrath, he almost killed Moses for disobedience.
(Exodus 4:24-26)

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Esaias

What about the idea that (1)the sanctuary "bore the sins" of the people all the time, and needed to be atoned for or
cleansed or purified from the sins of the people in order to make it capable of making an atonement for the people?

The (2)priest "bore the sins of the people" upon himself (symbolically), and apparently the furniture of the Temple did
likewise. Thus, they needed to be cleansed periodically. This was a figure of what was to happen in heaven, as the blood of
Jesus not only cleansed us, but also heaven itself. not that heaven had any sin of its own, but rather that it served as the
heavenly counterpart to the earthly tabernacle which "bore the sins of the people".

The (3)sins of the people were constantly being "placed" upon the furniture of the Temple, so there must be a heavenly
counterpart to this? Perhaps the "long suffering of God"?

Interestingly, I think there is a tie in to what happened when Noah came out of the ark, but I'll have to flesh it out a bit.
Short story is that when (4)Noah came out, he made a sacrifice, the first of its kind in Scripture, and as a result of his
mediation God promised to hold off destroying mankind by a flood. So it seems that there is a connection between the
mediation of Noah, the sacrifice ascending to heaven, and God's long
suffering or patience in dealing with mankind and his
sins. Perhaps the whole burnt offering indicated the sins ascending to heaven to be dealt with by God in some sense?
And thus, from Noah's day onward there was a situation in heaven, mirrored by the Tabernacle/Temple rituals, which was
finally dealt with by Christ?

(1) There would have been no need for Christ's atonement;
(2) The priest was a shadow of who was to come, and the furniture was only
a replica (copy) of the heavenly. That which is temporal needed cleansing, but
the heavenly is eternal and eternally sanctified by God's presence;
(3) the sins were placed upon the animal sacrifice, and the furniture a shadow
(the counterpart) of the heavenly and itself;
(4) Noah was a type of the Christ, even as the sacrifice, itself, foretold of the
earthly tabernacle: BOTH typified Christ; the first as a priest, and the latter as
the very body that was to be sprinkled (shed) with blood;

Brother Villa