No tithe outside of Israel?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

As long as they were outside the promised land, these laws did not apply.

Once again, you are proving my point. You just said "As long as they were outside the land these laws did not apply."



You are confirming what I said about your position and its ramifications.

Okay Esaias,

Tell me what this scripture means to you.



Bible, King James Version

Deut.12 Verse 8

[8] Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Forget about my opinion. Just expound on this verse. What does this mean to YOU?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Okay Esaias,

Tell me what this scripture means to you.



Bible, King James Version

Deut.12 Verse 8

[8] Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Forget about my opinion. Just expound on this verse. What does this mean to YOU?

Other than that the verse has no bearing on whether or not the law of tithing was put in place to fulfill Jacob's vow?

The context indicates that altars for sacrifice were to be found only in one location (to be determined by God) to which everyone was to bring their offerings. There was to be a unified prescribed worship for all Israel.

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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

...did the two and a half tribes that settled on the east of Jordan have an obligation to pay tithes?

Does anyone know if the 2 and a half tribes east of Jordan ever tithed? I can't seem to find anything on that.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Other than that the verse has no bearing on whether or not the law of tithing was put in place to fulfill Jacob's vow?

Okay, I understand that the thread has strayed to Jacob,
and I approve of the detour, but it seems that you are charging me with being off-topic, while you are yourself off-topic from the OP. Whether, or not your information is correct (and I am inclined to believe, but not convinced that it is) the OP calls for scriptural evidence. I can't see that the evidence is conclusive.

The context indicates that altars for sacrifice were to be found only in one location (to be determined by God) to which everyone was to bring their offerings. There was to be a unified prescribed worship for all Israel.

Wow!!!! I stand in awe of your discernment. You got all of that from this one verse? I am so impressed! I am ashamed to admit that I thought that this verse had to do with things being different when they crossed Jordan into the promised land. I did not see anything about sacrifices. I totally missed the part about unified worship. The part about offerings went totally over my head. I had to read almost the whole chapter to get all of that. Let me look again.

Bible, King James Version

Deut.12 Verse 8

[8] Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Brother, I've gotta admit, I still don't see anything about worship, or sacrifices. I am almost ashamed to admit that I understood this to mean that they were doing things today, on this side of Jordan that were not going to be allowed once they entered the promised land. I am so literal! I admit that I thought that the part about the "right in his own eyes" meant according to his own interpretation of what was right, but that is about as far as I can go with that. I'm evidently entirely too legalistic, and I thought that was a good thing in the context of the law. I stand corrected.




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[Aquila]

It is my understanding that the tithe was strictly in relation to those living within the land of ancient Israel.

Leviticus 27:30-34 King James Version (KJV)
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

It is also my understanding that under the law only agricultural products were tithed. They included grain, fruit, and livestock. Only products produced within the boundaries of the land of Israel were to be tithed. Jews living in Gentile lands were exempt. Others exempt from the tithing law included the hired hands, fishermen, miners, lumber workers, construction workers, soldiers, weavers, potters, manufacturers, merchants, government workers, and priests. In short, all who were not farmers were exempt.

The Jewish farmers in the land could redeem (buy back) the tithes of their crops with a penalty of one fifth. In other words, if a farmer wishes to keep his tithe of grain worth $1,000, he could pay the cash equivalent of $1,200 (Leviticus 27:31).

The Lord Jesus Christ did not ask for or receive a tithe for support of His ministry. Being of the tribe of Judah (not Levi) He could not without breaking the law (Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5). Neither Peter (not of the tribe of Levi) nor Paul (of the tribe of Benjamin) could receive tithes for the support of their ministries.

Even the Jews do not practice tithing today because there are no Levites, priests, or temple worship in Jerusalem. Jewish rabbis know biblical law well enough to know that tithing under the present circumstances is unlawful. According to them, when the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem with a consecrated altar with priests and Levites officiating, all Jews living within the biblical tithing zones will tithe.

Paul the apostle to the Gentiles does not mention tithing but says a great deal about Christian giving. (Romans 15:25,26; 1 Corinthians 9:7-14; 16:1-3; 2 Corinthians chapters 8 & 9; Galatians 6:6-10; Philippians 4:10-19; 1 Timothy 5:9-18).

Christians are to give regularly, joyfully, and systematically in accordance to the needs of the church and the ministry.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anyone know if the 2 and a half tribes east of Jordan ever tithed? I can't seem to find anything on that.

I really don't know the answer to this question. My assumption is that they did. The logical conclusion might be made that if they tithed outside of the promised land, then it was okay to do so. This assumption could be wrong. The Israelites did many things that violated the laws in general and the tithe laws in particular. Even Moses and Aaron blatantly disobeyed God and paid the price of being unable to enter the promised land because of it.

On another note I have heard rumors that there are well-intended saints in the modern church that tithe money (a balatant violation of tithe law) from outside the land of Israel (another infraction), to folk who do not qualify to receive a biblical tithe. I almost believe the rumors to be true. Surely not.

The bottom line is that just because they may have tithed from outside of Palestine, does not mean they were being obedient to God in doing so.

[Aquila]

I think a factor to consider is travel.

Remember, since the tithe was grain, produce, and livestock... they would have to transport all those harvested goods quite a distance. I'm not sure if the average farmer could do that with any efficiency outside of ancient Israel. Then one would have to consider how they kept such items preserved in the heat during that journey (they didn't have refrigerated trucks back then). I guess what I'm saying is that at some point the distance needed to travel in order to pay the tithe as required in Scripture would become a logistical nightmare if one lived outside of ancient Israel. Also, I don't remember reading about any massive caravans of farmers with a tithe journeying from distant lands recorded in Scripture. So... it makes logical sense that the tithe be required only of those living in the holy land, within a certain distance of Jerusalem. Else the priests would be sifting through mounds of aged produce, grain, and weary dehydrated cattle for weeks.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think a factor to consider is travel.

Remember, since the tithe was grain, produce, and livestock... they would have to transport all those harvested goods quite a distance. I'm not sure if the average farmer could do that with any efficiency outside of ancient Israel. Then one would have to consider how they kept such items preserved in the heat during that journey (they didn't have refrigerated trucks back then). I guess what I'm saying is that at some point the distance needed to travel in order to pay the tithe as required in Scripture would become a logistical nightmare if one lived outside of ancient Israel. Also, I don't remember reading about any massive caravans of farmers with a tithe journeying from distant lands recorded in Scripture. So... it makes logical sense that the tithe be required only of those living in the holy land, within a certain distance of Jerusalem. Else the priests would be sifting through mounds of aged produce, grain, and weary dehydrated cattle for weeks.

Deut 14:22-26 provides for sending tithes across large distances. It is pretty well established that tithing was a tax on the produce of Canaan (in fulfillment of Jacob's vow), so an Israelite sojourning in say Asia Minor would not be subject to the tithe requirement. Mainly because the tithe was a requirement of the land, not merely of Israelites per se.

My follow up question has to do with land controlled by Israelites (as in the case of the two and s half tribes who settled east of Jordan).

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I really don't know the answer to this question. My assumption is that they did. The logical conclusion might be made that if they tithed outside of the promised land, then it was okay to do so. This assumption could be wrong. The Israelites did many things that violated the laws in general and the tithe laws in particular. Even Moses and Aaron blatantly disobeyed God and paid the price of being unable to enter the promised land because of it.


The bottom line is that just because they may have tithed from outside of Palestine, does not mean they were being obedient to God in doing so.

I'm not wanting to assume, so I'm looking for any kind of historical data concerning their status and history.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

On another note I have heard rumors that there are well-intended saints in the modern church that tithe money (a balatant violation of tithe law) from outside the land of Israel (another infraction), to folk who do not qualify to receive a biblical tithe. I almost believe the rumors to be true. Surely not.

What you are saying here is that it is a SIN to give ten percent of your income to anyone as an act of worshipping God.

Which is preposterous in the extreme.