Billy Graham - Page 41

Aquila · #**401** 03-05-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

Qhak will suffice

There's the Christian spirit!

Aquila · #**402** 03-05-2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Teaching dispensationism vs preterism vs futurism is not the same as teaching the Trinity with 3 co-existant, co-eternal persons or especially teaching that you only need to pray the Sinner's Prayer and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

The first may be an error, but the latter two will cause a person to be lost.

So, a false doctrine in prophecy will not cost one their soul? Isn't falsehood, falsehood? Isn't a lie a lie? Can both sweet and bitter water flow from the same well?

houston · #**403** 03-05-2018, 10:54 AM

So... why does everyone get a pass? Jesus said that FEW will make it through.

Aquila · #**404** 03-05-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

So... why does everyone get a pass? Jesus said that FEW will make it through.

That's the thing. No one ever said that everyone gets a pass. LOL

All that's being said is that it is best to leave the judgment of other Christians in the hands of God. There's no assurance of salvation for them. No certainty. How can that be defined as "getting a pass"?

What I find interesting is, suggesting that God alone be given the right to judge them leads so many hardliners to think, "Oh great, God's judging, if we let Him be the only judge, I guess everyone will get a pass!" I find that rather ridiculous. lol

Is it merely because they WANT to be the judge and jury of these Christians?

Is it because they don't trust God's judgment?

Is it because that they inherently fear that God is more merciful than they?

What gives? LOL

n david · #**405** 03-05-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So, a false doctrine in prophecy will not cost one their soul? Isn't falsehood, falsehood? Isn't a lie a lie? Can both sweet and bitter water flow from the same well?

Funny how legalism works. You've twisted yourself into a pretzel to hope Billy into Heaven, but the guy who teaches a different view of prophecy is going to burn.

smh

n david · #**406** 03-05-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So, a false doctrine in prophecy will not cost one their soul? Isn't falsehood, falsehood? Isn't a lie a lie? Can both sweet and bitter water flow from the same well?

Also, one's view of eschatology isn't going to d a m n their soul. It is not salvific.

Aquila · #**407** 03-05-2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Also, one's view of eschatology isn't going to d a m n their soul. It is not salvific.

Who said it isn't "salvific"? Where did that notion come from? Is that in Scripture? Did let's say, Paul, have a different eschatology than, let's say, Peter? Where is the Scriptural foundation of such an idea?

Or are we assuming that God will have mercy on the teachers of a false teaching?

Aquila · #**408** 03-05-2018, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Funny how legalism works. You've twisted yourself into a pretzel to hope Billy into Heaven, but the guy who teaches a different view of prophecy is going to burn.

smh

Again, I've never said that Graham was in Heaven. I was criticized for saying:

I don't believe that Billy Graham knew the fullness of Apostolic truth. But I do believe he truly loved the Lord, and walked in the fullness of what he did know and understand. I pray that God have mercy on his soul, and that God's loving grace will lead him to his eternal reward. We serve a just and loving God, and His mercy endures forever.

I clearly illustrate that if Billy is saved, it would have to be on account of a sovereign act of divine mercy, because Billy didn't know the fullness of biblical truth. I never said that Billy will be in Heaven. If anything, I only hope to see Billy there. But I realize that the reality of such a hope is a long shot, if not impossible, if I read my Bible correctly. So, I leave it in the hands of a just and merciful God who will do as He pleases. Because I trust His judgment (whatever it will be) over my own, or anyone else's.

I find it strange that commending judgment to God seems to make some so insecure that they assume doing so will get Graham into Heaven.

The only reason I can see for this insecurity is that to do so indicates that there is a judge higher than us all... and they clearly don't trust God to judge rightly without their input.

Aquila · #**409** 03-05-2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

So... why does everyone get a pass? Jesus said that FEW will make it through.

Regarding the "few"... even if God only had mercy on 10% of historical Christians... in addition to Apostolics... it wouldn't equate to a 10th of all those who have professed to be Christians who ever lived... and it would be a drop in the bucket when compared to all the human beings who have ever lived. Yet, still it would be a multitude which no man can number:

Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

It's my understanding that there are only roughly 17 million Apostolics in the world today.

Aquila · #**410** 03-05-2018, 11:33 AM

Consider this...

One poster on this thread professed to believe that the unborn, infants, and the MRDD will be sovereignly saved on account of innocence.

If here are roughly only 17 million Apostolics in the world today, and we're seeing the greatest numbers we've seen yet... that means that abortion, crib death, and developmental retardation have saved more souls than the Gospel itself. Hmmm.