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Old 04-19-2018, 07:35 PM
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God would only accept a tenth of things he specifically spelled out in the Law. That was the only "holy tithe" that ever existed. It is gone. Thus it cannot be stolen from. You are invoking God's name to falsely label people as thieves. That is lightning bolt stuff right there. We'll stay out of your way.
What he spelled out in the law was encompassing everything. Whether it was crops, seeds, fruit. Or livestock as people in a wilderness that was covering all loopholes. So adapt it to this day in time.
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Hmm apply it from wilderness people to 2018 and see what you get. Give groceries to the ministry as unto the Lord. Would you agree with that? Or would you make an excuse there too?
I've made no excuse. I've laid out sound rules of biblical interpretation. The burden of proof is on you, and you have failed.

We support the ministry through free will giving. It's that simple.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:21 PM
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:43 PM
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I don't teach that you HAVE TO pay tithes. I teach that IF you pay tithes, there are Biblical promises for you.
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What he spelled out in the law was encompassing everything. Whether it was crops, seeds, fruit. Or livestock as people in a wilderness that was covering all loopholes. So adapt it to this day in time.

I do not have the right to adapt it, and neither do you. If you change it to include something not in the list God gave, then it is no longer that holy tithe.
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I give however I feel it on my heart to give.
2 Corinthians 9:7? What does this verse mean?

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How much I have been prospered is part of the consideration process.
1 Corinthians 16:2 what does this verse mean?


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I have given what some would consider quite a bit at times, other times not so much.
I understand that is pretty much everyone's experience. It is the human experience.

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I do not tithe.
Yes, we know, you hate the number 10 when combined with percentage.

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Tithing is not for the New Testament. I think we agree on this. Sometimes you seem to be a little cranky, even about things we agree on.
My attitude concerning my demeanor with this discussion is mainly because I don't believe you really understand what you are talking about. Which I mean no offense by making this statement. You have shown me that you have no idea about tithing concerning any other ancient society other than the Hebrews. It also looks like you feel the New Testament Bible (as we have it today) was available to Jesus Christ and His followers? The ancient Hebrews were walking around with silver quarters and gold Krugerrands, and livestock weren't on the list of traded commodities. Melchizedek and Abraham was a one shot deal, Jacob promise to tithe was a one shot deal, so primitive tithing were anomalies. Paul going through a whole chapter explaining on ministerial support is reduced to, how you feel on a certain day? Also, if you have extra in your bank account you may toss in another sawbuck. So much for the widow and her mite, or the woman baking a cake for the prophet before her starving family gets to eat. Anyway, please, please I ask for your forgiveness in advance for my zeal, I'll forgive you for your's.

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Oh, were you wanting me to share with you the a dollar amount I give? or a percentage?
No, I believe no one ever needs to know that. Also envelopes with your name on them aren't necessary. I don't believe that people need to know how much you give. When I was in the world before church I had a friend who gave me a pair of boots. I would always be told that he gave me those boots. One night in the bar, I took the boots off and placed them on top of the bar, and rode home in my socks. Sadly, sometimes you not only get the gift, but the gift giver. that's why no one was to sound a trumpet when the offerings were made. So, no, I wouldn't ever want to know what you do with YOUR belongings. Peter made sure he told Ananias and Sapphira that the property was already their's, they owned it. They had no need to lie to the Holy Ghost about the amount. It wasn't ten percent, they were supposed to give a freewill offering of a 100% like everyone else. They could of told Peter that they chose to only give so much, honestly, and I personally believe their outcome would of been different. Yet, money makes people funny, especially when you are a full time preacher raising children and driving all over the United States. Or taking care of a church family never asking for anything.
Also you know something? When you are rich, everyone wants to give you things, that's so crazy. But when you are broker then Job's house cat, no one wants to know you.

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Maybe for you, never for me.

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Now we have to work on Originalist and 1ofthechosen.

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I don't teach that you HAVE TO pay tithes. I teach that IF you pay tithes, there are Biblical promises for you.
This reminds me of a scripture in Luke.

Something about putting new wine in old wine bottles?

A new patch on an old garment? Mark

Pining for the leeks and onions? Numbers

And a covenant that is withering away in Hebrews.

It seems when God has something better for us, something makes us gravitate back to whatever makes us feel secure.
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This reminds me of a scripture in Luke.

Something about putting new wine in old wine bottles?

A new patch on an old garment? Mark

Pining for the leeks and onions? Numbers

And a covenant that is withering away in Hebrews.

It seems when God has something better for us, something makes us gravitate back to whatever makes us feel secure.
What is better?
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I've made no excuse. I've laid out sound rules of biblical interpretation. The burden of proof is on you, and you have failed.

We support the ministry through free will giving. It's that simple.
Sadly, sometimes people don't have the will to be so free.
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