Do we have to pay tithes? - Page 38

1ofthechosen · #**371** 04-23-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, you are not considering context. WHO was that command to? It was not for all the people of Israel.

NEWS FLASH: Not all the people of Israel were commanded to tithe. This passage in Proverbs is not changing the tithing laws.

Ok show how that was not commanded to all the people of israel. It's very clear that it was to anyone with increase. Would you say different? These are friendly questions, you don't always have to attack.

1ofthechosen · #**372** 04-23-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, supposition. Searching past the context of the passage in hopes of finding something that fits your desired paradigm.

Do not think that God is as obsessed with lining a preacher's pocket as you obviously are.

I just ran across that and wanted to discuss it. Wasn't trying to force you to do anything. If you don't want to that's fine, tithing is a personal thing. Giving is a act of worship unto God "For where your heart is, your treasure will be also."

Originalist · #**373** 04-23-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Ok show how that was not commanded to all the people of israel. It's very clear that it was to anyone with increase. Would you say different? These are friendly questions, you don't always have to attack.

Do you have empirical data that from that time on the nature of tithing changed in Israel? Did the people of that day view this Proverb as you are?
Why do we see no Imperial decree from Solomon initiating this new tithe system as a directive from God for the whole people?

Another consideration, he was writing to his son, who obviously had the type of tithable increase as laid out in the Law. Thus, this was just a reaffirmation that his son should uphold the Law.

This is how we interpret scripture.

Originalist · #**374** 04-23-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I just ran across that and wanted to discuss it. Wasn't trying to force you to do anything. If you don't want to that's fine, tithing is a personal thing. Giving is a act of worship unto God "For where your heart is, your treasure will be also."

Look, you are the one who, after not being able to defend your position, accused me of not wanting to give. Shall I quote you?

Tithesmeister · #**375** 04-23-2018, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=1ofthechosen;1528300]Ok you ready for this one? Have you ever thought that Jesus received tithes? Well now this is before Calvary, but there is scripture to support it.

Brother, I'm going to try to ease back into the discussion. Hello to you and originalist, and whomever else may be listening in.

First, do not be afraid, or do not think that I am afraid, of any questions that you may ask about tithing, or anything else in the Bible. If I go quiet, it is probably not because you have stumped me. So far I have found what the scripture has to say about tithing to be absolutely consistent. I don't expect things to change. Also if I don't answer a question that you ask, do not assume that I am avoiding it. That will not be the case. Sometimes you have so many questions, and you ask them so fast, that I may overlook some. It is probably not that I don't have an answer, or that I am avoiding them. I may go quiet because I have a life outside of AFF. I know. Who would ever believe that, right?

Did Jesus receive tithes? An interesting question. A lot of people assume that he did. He did not. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. He was not eligible to receive tithes, according to the law. Jesus was born of a woman, born under the law. We call it the law of Moses, but it really was God's law. Jesus did not violate the law.

Please don't think I'm being offensive, and don't make the mistake of thinking I'm being defensive. Just take it at face value, and I believe it will work better for both of us.

Tithesmeister · #**376** 04-23-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I just ran across that and wanted to discuss it. Wasn't trying to force you to do anything. If you don't want to that's fine, tithing is a personal thing. Giving is a act of worship unto God "For where your heart is, your treasure will be also."

Let me suggest a format here. Ask me your toughest question. The one you assume I don't have an answer for. Just ask the question, and don't answer it for me. After I answer, either refute my answer, or respond to it saying you agree.

Then ask your next toughest question. I've probably heard the questions before, so don't be timid.

Go ahead.

1ofthechosen · #**377** 04-23-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Let me suggest a format here. Ask me your toughest question. The one you assume I don't have an answer for. Just ask the question, and don't answer it for me. After I answer, either refute my answer, or respond to it saying you agree.

Then ask your next toughest question. I've probably heard the questions before, so don't be timid.

Go ahead.

I really have no questions, was only truthfully starting a discussion is it. But I do see what you are saying about Him being born of a woman, and under the law. Also being out of the tribe of Judah.

The Jews that would've seen Him as the Messiah would've seen Him as a fufillment of Malachi 3:1-4.

1ofthechosen · #**378** 04-23-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Look, you are the one who, after not being able to defend your position, accused me of not wanting to give. Shall I quote you?

You can have your doctrine all the way correct, and still have the wrong spirit.
I'll leave it there. That's all I have to say, you can answer back but, I'm not going to answer you.

Tithesmeister · #**379** 04-23-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Proverbs 3:5-10 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil. [8] It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. [9] Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine."

Just as a general observation, you are seeing tithes where there are no tithes, and you are not seeing the details of tithing, where they are plainly stated. You are assuming, perhaps that firstfruits are tithes. They are not. One of the distinctions between firstfruits and tithes were the route that they followed. Tithes were given to the Levites (in the case of the Levitical tithe of course) and the Levites tithed of the tithes to the priests. The firstfruits were given directly to the priests.

In the case of the Levitical tithe, the priests only received a tenth of the Levitical tithe.

Originalist · #**380** 04-23-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

You can have your doctrine all the way correct, and still have the wrong spirit.
I'll leave it there. That's all I have to say, you can answer back but, I'm not going to answer you.

Wow. You are indeed one to talk. How can you preach to me about having the right spirit when you resort to childish attacks like "you obviously don't want to give" when your arguments fall flat?