Are All Oneness Christians Apostolic By Default?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by houston

Larisa, How is there more hope? That doesn’t make sense.

Please call me Bucky.

It does. It would be better to not hold the Truth than to hold the Truth and be flippant and ungodly in lifestyle.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They most definitely are charismatic and are more charismatic than Apostolic. Look up the definition of charismatic and then look up the definition of Apostolic.

In a sense, all Apostolics are charismatic, but not all charismatic are Apostolic. These blokes are Oneness charismatics and I stand by my assertion that there is more hope for a Trinitarian Pentecostal who lives a life of holiness than there is for the man who holds the truth in unholiness.

I'm still confused as to how they would be labeled Charismatic. Don't agree there. They self-identify, generally, as Pentecostal Holiness or Holiness Pentecostals.

These groups believe:
The Oneness of God (no Trinity)
Baptism in Jesus' Name (no titles)
Spirit baptism (evidenced by speaking in tongues)
Living a life of holiness (more or less in line with traditional Apostolics)

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic? I was simply asking why one might think they do not carry the Apostolic label.

Again, these are Charismatics. There are differences. These aren't Charismatics.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I'm still confused as to how they would be labeled Charismatic. Don't agree there. They self-identify, generally, as Pentecostal Holiness or Holiness Pentecostals.

These groups believe:
The Oneness of God (no Trinity)
Baptism in Jesus' Name (no titles)
Spirit baptism (evidenced by speaking in tongues)
Living a life of holiness (more or less in line with traditional Apostolics)

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic? I was simply asking why one might think they do not carry the Apostolic label.

Again, these are Charismatics. There are differences. These aren't Charismatics.

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

"Probably."

Do you know these people to whom HR is referring? Or do you always just assume the worst about people you've never met or know?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic?

The reason Bucky has jumped the cliff is because you mentioned that the ladies cut their hair. That = charismatic.

To Bucky, it's better being a "meth whore" than a oneness believing, spirit-filled woman who cuts her hair, or minister who allows women to cut their hair.

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

Larisa, How is there more hope? That doesn’t make sense.

Who's Larisa?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by n david

"Probably."

Do you know these people to whom HR is referring? Or do you always just assume the worst about people you've never met or know?

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the tabe for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the tabe for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

Do you know these people? Or do you always assume the worst about people you don't know?

[houston]

Originally Posted by n david

Who's Larisa?

Bucky

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

The reason behind this question is really quite simple. In the past few years, I have been involved in revivals and services attended by Pentecostals with many similarities to traditional Apostolics: they are Oneness, baptize in Jesus' Name, believe Spirit baptism is evidenced by tongues, and believe in strong applications of both inward and outward holiness. Perhaps the only difference in their standards is their ladies generally cut their hair to around shoulder length (or a little longer), and perhaps the names of their churches (if that makes any sense). I attended a service last night preached by an Elder who believes in everything I mentioned above. He referred to himself as Oneness, Pentecostal, and Jesus' Name throughout his message. The word Apostolic was never uttered. Why is that one wonders?

Are they Church of Jesus Christ?