Saved Without A Pastor??

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Please be kind to this Brother.

Was I being unkind? I am simply trying to understand.what building a church means to him.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Explain to me exactly how you built a church. What does building a church mean to you?

Well, OK.

I'm bragging on Jesus here, OK?

By the help of the Lord, with no org. backing, I went into a city that had no Apostolic witness, started in my living room with my family and God built a self supporting congregation. We built one sanctuary, that seated about 100 that we very quickly out grew and then a second sanctuary, all in about 8 years.

ANY GLORY goes to God.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Well, OK.

I'm bragging on Jesus here, OK?

By the help of the Lord, with no org. backing, I went into a city that had no Apostolic witness, started in my living room with my family and God built a self supporting congregation. We built one sanctuary, that seated about 100 that we very quickly out grew and then a second sanctuary, all in about 8 years.

ANY GLORY goes to God.

Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for.

Now how many churches have you built?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for.

Now how many churches have you built?

Technically... none however I have done some welding and painting on a couple!!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Technically... none however I have done some welding and painting on a couple!!

I think you mean you have welded and painted on a church building. The church building is built by men, the church is built by Jesus . . . right?


Bible, King James Version

Matt.16
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for.

Now how many churches have you built?

A pastor who went to visit the home of a congregation member. Upon arriving there the minister discovered his host was an avid gardener, and was only too delighted to show his pastor around the garden, a magnificent sea of greens, purples, blues, whites, yellows and pinks. Wanting to set the relationship off on a strong, positive note, the pastor said, “Praise God for the beauty of his handiwork”.

But his host replied in a somewhat offended tone, “Now pastor, don’t go giving all the credit to God. You should have seen this garden when the Almighty had it to himself!”

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

A pastor who went to visit the home of a congregation member. Upon arriving there the minister discovered his host was an avid gardener, and was only too delighted to show his pastor around the garden, a magnificent sea of greens, purples, blues, whites, yellows and pinks. Wanting to set the relationship off on a strong, positive note, the pastor said, “Praise God for the beauty of his handiwork”.

But his host replied in a somewhat offended tone, “Now pastor, don’t go giving all the credit to God. You should have seen this garden when the Almighty had it to himself!”

I like it.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

A pastor who went to visit the home of a congregation member. Upon arriving there the minister discovered his host was an avid gardener, and was only too delighted to show his pastor around the garden, a magnificent sea of greens, purples, blues, whites, yellows and pinks. Wanting to set the relationship off on a strong, positive note, the pastor said, “Praise God for the beauty of his handiwork”.

But his host replied in a somewhat offended tone, “Now pastor, don’t go giving all the credit to God. You should have seen this garden when the Almighty had it to himself!”

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I like it.

Originally Posted by Amanah

Thank you.

In the Plan of God, He has always used dedicated men and women to do His will.

The problem arises when we refuse to acknowledge His hand in our lives.

Proverbs 16:18.. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall...

[Tithesmeister]

The OP was "Can you be saved without a pastor?"

There are several points that could be made about this subject. Here is just one.

The five fold ministry is for the church, right? The church is already saved, right?

Let's go to the word.

Bible, King James Version

Eph.4 Verses 11 to 12

[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Which of these groups are NOT saved already?