Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Cut the ......... No one is falling for your bull.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't affirm that you support righting the wrongs of our ancestors.

Are there any wrongs you would right?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, you don't believe in interceding for the lost?

"I'll take 'Let's completely make stuff up' for $500, Alex."

Originally Posted by Aquila

No one said that anyone is to petition God for dead ancestors.

Repenting of ancestral sin means - not continuing in it yourself (typically resolved upon being born again, but can be done afterwards if one discovers that what they are continuing in is sin) and working to end the effects of our ancestor's sin in the present.

That's not what your "let's suppose" stories have been about. They've been about those long dead and gone and for some reason you believe we need to repent of them and even make restitution for these sins, else we are "implicated" in them ourselves and have our reward taken from us, though we still make it to the cheap seats in Heaven.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Can you quote were anyone said we are to petition God for dead ancestors?

These posts certainly speak of repenting for generational/ancestral sins...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...86&postcount=6

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=30

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=64

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&postcount=71

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...6&postcount=79

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=142

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=164

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=173

Originally Posted by Aquila

When I mentioned the act of interceding for our communities, and the leaders of our nation, by confessing the continued sin of our ancestors, and righting their wrongs as a part of our priestly duties as a royal priesthood... you brought up how we no longer have a Levitical Priesthood to counter the notion, did you not?

Let's revisit my post:

There were several posts talking about how the OT gives examples of Israel repenting as a nation. This was my response to your suggestion that because this occurred in the OT, it should still be followed today.

Originally Posted by n david

Regarding the OT examples of repenting for sins of the nation: in the OT there were Levitical priests and a High Priest who would make a sacrifice for the sins of the children of Israel.

The cross changed everything. We no longer have priests or a human High Priest who offers a yearly sacrifice for our sin. Instead, when we repent of our sins and are baptized in Jesus Name, they are buried and gone.

You will not find a single example during Jesus' ministry of people repenting for dead ancestors, nor of Him requiring they do.

The woman found in the act of adultery was told "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Jesus didn't demand she repent of sins of others. He didn't ask about her ancestor's accusers. He asked about her accusers, forgave her and sent her on her way.

Nor will you find a single example of Paul or any other Disciple/Apostle instructing NT saints to repent for the sins of their ancestors.

The Cross changed everything.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=148

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm starting to think that some would like to see certain wrongs in our society that are the result of the sin of our ancestors continue.

I'm starting to think you don't read full posts and just pull stuff out your back pocket.

Yes, Aquila. I would like to see the wrongs in our society continue. Absolutely.

Yea, and Amen!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bingo. One will not bear the iniquity of their fathers and die in their father's iniquity. No born again saint of God will be cut off from God over an ancestor's sin.

However, it doesn't stop here. We also read:

Isaiah 1:17
“Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause.”

Zechariah 7:9-10
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

Proverb 31:8-9
“Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.”

Jeremiah 22:3
“Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.”

Micah 6:8
“He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?”

While we will not die in the iniquities of our fathers, God clearly expects us to right wrongs caused by the sins of others, including the sins of our fathers. Failing to do so is to fall short of God's desire of us.

Aquila none of those scriptures is even alluding to the idea your taking from it. Truthfully not even out of context is it saying that. Did you just pick those at random? No mas CBD and dabs for you bro...

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I still can't figure out why people are arguing against that which nobody has argued for?

I can't repent for something I never did. I can do better then my Father's but I can't repent of something unless I did it to. Then it wouldn't be the sins of my Father it would be my sin..

If that's all that's being said that should've took up all of 2 pages.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I can't repent for something I never did. I can do better then my Father's but I can't repent of something unless I did it to. Then it wouldn't be the sins of my Father it would be my sin..

If that's all that's being said that should've took up all of 2 pages.

I just repented for Adam.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm starting to think you don't read full posts and just pull stuff out your back pocket.

Yes, Aquila. I would like to see the wrongs in our society continue. Absolutely.

Yea, and Amen!

No, he just like to mess with people.

That's why he is a Troll.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I can't repent for something I never did. I can do better then my Father's but I can't repent of something unless I did it to. Then it wouldn't be the sins of my Father it would be my sin..

If that's all that's being said that should've took up all of 2 pages.

I don't think anyone on this thread even understands what the thread is about.

[berkeley]

I’m just here for the brownies.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't think anyone on this thread even understands what the thread is about.

It is about Soupy Sales being used in a Jewish scientist MKUltra experiment to get little children to go into their parent's wallets. Take out the money, and send it to him.