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06-14-2007, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trouvere
So you have a church then.She doesn't.Is it really about the welfare of this sister or just a rant of idealism?
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No ... he doesn't have a church ... he is the Church.
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06-14-2007, 09:14 AM
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So you have a church then.She doesn't.Is it really about the welfare of this sister or just a rant of idealism?
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Very good question
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06-14-2007, 09:15 AM
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Dan, I'm not talking about an organization. I could care less if she is UPC. I'm talking about a fellowship of believers who support and exhort and bear one anothers burdens. A three fold cord is strong but if your by yourself who will pick you up when you fall?
9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. 10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. 11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? 12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching
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And no one has disagreed w/ this point....
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06-14-2007, 09:16 AM
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Coonskinner,
I share your concern that too many folks ignore the clear picture given in the Epistles of the importance of the "five fold ministry" in ones Christian walk.
Dan Scott talks about the heresay of people who live by that old song "Me and Jesus got our own thing goin' on".
You ought to post a little Bible Study on the five fold ministry as a new thread. I probably would not agree with all of it but I am sure I would much.
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I would be very interesting in reading this!
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I agree!
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06-14-2007, 09:16 AM
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So you have a church then.She doesn't.Is it really about the welfare of this sister or just a rant of idealism?
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Ahhh... now we're getting into the concept that "church" is still bound up with physical boundaries. Can she not be submitted to one from a distance? Can't God still minister to her, through a person, from a distance? I have to ask, what about in the olden days when church may happen at times that spanned distant times by a circuit evangelists? Did those who followed Christ cease to be part of a church because there was no structure? If God was capable of leading and guiding and keeping 150 years ago -- is he not capable of doing so today?
That said, I still think she needs to find a group of people to whom she can be committed. By the way, my thoughts are based on ideology -- which is also this thing called "faith". You know, faith in God that he is able to keep that which he has started in her.
And I care, very much, for Michlow's soul -- or welfare as you put it...
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06-14-2007, 09:17 AM
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All ANYONE can do is choose who to submit to, otherwise everyone would have to stay in whatever philosophy/religion they first come into contact with, whether that be Christianity, Hindu, Budhism, etc.
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06-14-2007, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
No ... he doesn't have a church ... he is the Church.
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Exactly -- it's not about DOING CHURCH but about BEING THE CHURCH. And BEING may encompass DOING it is not encompassed by it.
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06-14-2007, 09:18 AM
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Ahhh... now we're getting into the concept that "church" is still bound up with physical boundaries. Can she not be submitted to one from a distance? Can't God still minister to her, through a person, from a distance? I have to ask, what about in the olden days when church may happen at times that spanned distant times by a circuit evangelists? Did those who followed Christ cease to be part of a church because there was no structure? If God was capable of leading and guiding and keeping 150 years ago -- is he not capable of doing so today?
That said, I still think she needs to find a group of people to whom she can be committed. By the way, my thoughts are based on ideology -- which is also this thing called "faith". You know, faith in God that he is able to keep that which he has started in her.
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Unless it doesn't have pews and a pulpit ... it aint' church.
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06-14-2007, 09:18 AM
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And no one has disagreed w/ this point....
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In fact, I wholeheartedly agree with it.
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06-14-2007, 09:19 AM
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Don't ask.
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Originally Posted by ILG
Okay, maybe he should have said if Michlow's heart is right and she is really desiring truth, after she sifts she will find truth. I figured that is what he meant.
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There are many who believe they have a right heart and desire truth who have not found the same truth as the Apostolics. Of course, when that happens, the Apostolics simply proclaim that they didn't have a right heart and/or didn't desire truth. Very convenient.
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