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03-24-2019, 05:09 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
See post 118.
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What about post 119?
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03-25-2019, 08:22 AM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by good samaritan
the book of Mathew chapter one gives a chapter long Chronology from Abraham to Christ. It states that there is 14 generations from Abraham unto David, 14 generations from David to the carrying away to Babylon, and 14 generations from the carrying away to Babylon to Christ. a generation seems to consistantly be 40years in the Bible. (14 x generations) 14 x 40=560years. There is 560 years from the babylonian captivity until Christ.
Daniel said the number of years of the captivity would be 70years and then he said that their would be 70 weeks following the decree of Cyrus to the Messiah.
70years + 70 weeks
70 years +490years =560yrs
Mathew and Daniel matchup very well. I know that it gets confusing dealing with exact dates in scriptures because our calendars are not the same, but for a general view this seemed to be good.
I just don't understand how people subtract the 70th week and place it in the 21st century when it fits so well right were it is at.
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As I read it, the 70 weeks are to include the week that Christ was on earth. The 70th week was the week that Christ was on earth. If we count the weeks there are 69 up to the Christ.
Dan 9:25.. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times...
The next verse says after, not later, or before but after. Messiah is cut off, and the people of the prince that will come will destroy the city.
One it does not say Prince, it say (people of the prince).
The next verse is the confusing one, is the he that is talked about the Messiah or the prince to come. I believe it is the Messiah, and not the prince, because it the verse above does not say, Prince but (people of the prince) therefor verse 27 must go back to talking about the Messiah.
Therefor Messiah must be the one cut off in the middle of the 70th week and fulfils all of verse 27.
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03-25-2019, 04:03 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
Actually what I originally asked you to explain was, what exactly is happening in Daniel 12:7?
Because Daniel 12:1-3 doesn't look like they proceed what is happening in Daniel 12:7. Since verses Daniel 12:7-8 specifically call for the total end. It looks like verse Daniel 12:7 is the prime indicator prior to the events in verses one to three. So, please explain what is happening in Daniel 12:7 which is the indicator for the events in Daniel 12:1-3.
You answered me with....
Abomination that maketh desolate? So, Mike, where is this abomination that maketh desolate set up? Thessalonians 2 speaks of a temple, is it the temple referenced by Jesus in Matthew 24:15? Also you post "other scriptures in Matthew" what other scriptures in Matthew?
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The time frame is mentioned by the angel to add more information to what has been shown in Dan 12:1-3. First the abomination of desolation is set up. Then 2 more specific time frames. Do you believe that a future temple must be built to fulfill prophecy?
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Explain those time frames, show the sequence. Please.
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03-25-2019, 05:48 PM
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Look at terms used in both passages to decide...
Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Heb 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
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03-25-2019, 06:11 PM
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3 1/2 years after Jesus baptism he was crucified. And three and a half years after that the first Gentiles came into the church in Acts chapter 10. The 70 weeks were for Israel in Jerusalem. So when the Gentiles came in that was three and a half years after the cross.
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03-25-2019, 06:44 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Look at terms used in both passages to decide...
Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Heb 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. |
No more conscience of sins, hence the baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. the blood has been struck on the lintel and door post of our hearts, the judgement of death has passed over us.
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03-26-2019, 06:05 AM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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3 1/2 years after Jesus baptism he was crucified. And three and a half years after that the first Gentiles came into the church in Acts chapter 10. The 70 weeks were for Israel in Jerusalem. So when the Gentiles came in that was three and a half years after the cross. |
How do you know the Gentiles came in 3.5 years later? Documentation?
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03-26-2019, 06:47 AM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Actually what I originally asked you to explain was, what exactly is happening in Daniel 12:7?
Because Daniel 12:1-3 doesn't look like they proceed what is happening in Daniel 12:7. Since verses Daniel 12:7-8 specifically call for the total end. It looks like verse Daniel 12:7 is the prime indicator prior to the events in verses one to three. So, please explain what is happening in Daniel 12:7 which is the indicator for the events in Daniel 12:1-3.
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To YOU verse 7 does not seem to be referring to verses 1-3. But to ME thats just what it seems to be pointing to! The time of trouble in the time when the man of sin comes into the glorious land. Verse 7 SEEMS to be referring to the time of his reign when he scatters the power of the holy people.
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You answered me with....
Abomination that maketh desolate? So, Mike, where is this abomination that maketh desolate set up? Thessalonians 2 speaks of a temple, is it the temple referenced by Jesus in Matthew 24:15? Also you post "other scriptures in Matthew" what other scriptures in Matthew?
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How about in the glorious land of Israel?
Daniel 12:41-45
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Jesus spoke of the desolation of Jerusalem:
Luke 21:20-24
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES......is the time, times, and a half the angel mentions to Daniel in chapter 12:7
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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03-26-2019, 06:59 AM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Look at terms used in both passages to decide...
Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Heb 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. |
So is this the same abomination of desolation as in Daniel 11:30-31?
30For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Or does this abomination of desolation fit better with Daniel 12:10:11
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Or in your opinion are all three references to the abomination of desolation speaking of the same thing?
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