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03-26-2019, 06:34 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Does Jerusalem being surrounded by the Gentiles sound like this?
Daniel 11:44-45
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
If chapter 11 which this is a part of was Antiochus how does that fit in starting with the very next verses? |
I noted Dan 11 is Antiochus Epiphanes.
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Daniel 12:1-2
1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Was the time of Antiochus the greatest trouble/tribulation ever known to man? Was there a resurrection of the dead in his time?
And very importantly (to me) is there a GAP between the last verse of Daniel 11 between the first 2 verses of Daniel 12?
And.....I can agree with you that prophetic things are at times "not so clear".
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I did not stipulate what I thought Dan 12 was about. Instead, I went to Christ's words.
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03-26-2019, 06:35 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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I find nothing in Scripture that would suggest a Gentile "couldn't get saved during the Seventy Weeks". Sounds like dispensationalist error concerning the nature and purpose of the stated time frame.
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I believe the words that the 70 weeks were determined for Israel made that clear.
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03-26-2019, 09:24 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Dom,
To YOU verse 7 does not seem to be referring to verses 1-3. But to ME thats just what it seems to be pointing to! The time of trouble in the time when the man of sin comes into the glorious land. Verse 7 SEEMS to be referring to the time of his reign when he scatters the power of the holy people.
How about in the glorious land of Israel?
Daniel 12:41-45
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Jesus spoke of the desolation of Jerusalem:
Luke 21:20-24
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES......is the time, times, and a half the angel mentions to Daniel in chapter 12:7
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. |
All this is in some far off future? Including Luke 21:20-24? That would necessitate a rebuilt temple complete with working legitimate priesthood?
Please prove this with book, chapter, and verse. 
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03-26-2019, 09:26 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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03-26-2019, 09:53 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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I believe the words that the 70 weeks were determined for Israel made that clear.
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Not seeing how. Seventy Weeks being determined on Daniel's people (Judah) and Jerusalem does not lead to "no gentile can be saved until that time period is up." Gentile salvation is simply not mentioned. If I told my son he has sixty minutes for the test, it doesn't follow that some other child in some other classroom can't take a test or pass a test or enroll in a class or whatever until the determined sixty minutes are up. It also doesn't have any bearing on whether or not my daughter can eat pudding before, during, or after the sixty minutes.
It just does not follow.
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03-27-2019, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Not seeing how. Seventy Weeks being determined on Daniel's people (Judah) and Jerusalem does not lead to "no gentile can be saved until that time period is up." Gentile salvation is simply not mentioned. If I told my son he has sixty minutes for the test, it doesn't follow that some other child in some other classroom can't take a test or pass a test or enroll in a class or whatever until the determined sixty minutes are up. It also doesn't have any bearing on whether or not my daughter can eat pudding before, during, or after the sixty minutes.
It just does not follow.
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The book of Acts does not show them getting saved till years after the day of Pentecost. The exact time is not known but all timelines agree it was years. That, coypled with what the 70 weeks were for, seem to state this.
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03-27-2019, 11:14 AM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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The book of Acts does not show them getting saved till years after the day of Pentecost. The exact time is not known but all timelines agree it was years. That, coypled with what the 70 weeks were for, seem to state this.
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Well, that is because before anyone else could be reconciled the covenant holders had to be redeemed. We have Judeans filling up their transgression to the uttermost, with the rejection and putting to death of their Messiah. Romans had no clue, but had to come in a get grafted into their commonwealth, the domestic olive tree. So, it was through the covenant holders taking hold of that covenant and therefore the Romans gained access right after. Taking hold of the Judeans garment and telling the Judean to lead the way. Thank God those Judeans could read and write Greek. 
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03-27-2019, 01:20 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by mfblume
The book of Acts does not show them getting saved till years after the day of Pentecost. The exact time is not known but all timelines agree it was years. That, coypled with what the 70 weeks were for, seem to state this.
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How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?
Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
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03-27-2019, 01:55 PM
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Re: Daniel's 70th week
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?
Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. |
Why did you not bold 'Jews' in verse 5? The passage seems to be speaking of Jews who had been dispersed to all of these nations.
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