Daniel's 70th week

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Why did you not bold 'Jews' in verse 5?

Because my question was regarding gentiles that were present during the outpouring of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by Ehud

The passage seems to be speaking of Jews who had been dispersed to all of these nations.

That's an interesting take, but it doesn't read that way to me.

Also, in Acts 6, we see that Greeks were part of the church before the conversion of Cornelius.

Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Because my question was regarding gentiles that were present during the outpouring of the Spirit.


That's an interesting take, but it doesn't read that way to me.

Also, in Acts 6, we see that Greeks were part of the church before the conversion of Cornelius.

Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

I tend to take things quite literally unless given a reason not to and readily admit I could be taking it *too* literally. However, Luke identifies those present as Jews in verse 5, and never seems to stray. I have assumed -- yes, that thing I should know better than to do -- that they were all gathered for Pentecost. Is there any reason gentiles would have been a part of that gathering other than by coincidence? (Legitimately asking because I don't know the answer to that question.)

Also, the footnote in my ESV tells me that the murmuring in Acts 6:1 was being done by Hellenists, or Greek-speaking Jews.

As an aside, if Acts 10 isn't the initial offering of salvation to the gentiles, what purpose did Peter's vision serve?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Ehud

I tend to take things quite literally unless given a reason not to and readily admit I could be taking it *too* literally. However, Luke identifies those present as Jews in verse 5, and never seems to stray. I have assumed -- yes, that thing I should know better than to do -- that they were all gathered for Pentecost. Is there any reason gentiles would have been a part of that gathering other than by coincidence? (Legitimately asking because I don't know the answer to that question.)

Also, the footnote in my ESV tells me that the murmuring in Acts 6:1 was being done by Hellenists, or Greek-speaking Jews.

As an aside, if Acts 10 isn't the initial offering of salvation to the gentiles, what purpose did Peter's vision serve?

You may be right if proselytes are considered as Jews - (Ethiopian Eunuch Acts 8:27, Nicolas - a proselyte of Antioch, Acts 6:5).

Perhaps the devout people present in Acts 2 saying "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born" were proselytes, so in essence considered to be Jews.

[Esaias]

Acts2:

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

[Esaias]

Acts 10:

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?

Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Sorry, but not one uncircumcised Roman was a participant in Shavuot.

Not a one.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Acts2:

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

They are both converts to Judaism. No uncircumcised Romans taking part in the Feast.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

You may be right if proselytes are considered as Jews - (Ethiopian Eunuch Acts 8:27, Nicolas - a proselyte of Antioch, Acts 6:5).

Perhaps the devout people present in Acts 2 saying "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born" were proselytes, so in essence considered to be Jews.

Converts were circumcised, guys like Cornelius were uncircumcised and were Noshides who could not take part in feasts.

[Esaias]

John 4:

And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. 40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. 41 And many more believed because of his own word; 42 and said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They are both converts to Judaism. No uncircumcised Romans taking part in the Feast.

Yes, proselytes were gentiles who converted to Judaism. The point is, though, they were not ethnic Judeans. I do not see where the Seventy Weeks in and of itself has any bearing on "who could be saved".