The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Awesome, can you do it tonight? I will show it to the group in front of Whole Foods. Please do it soon. My lands, you can't even say as much as boo devil boo about it here, yet you will shuck out a hour in change for the YouTubes.
You are an apostle to the people.

This made my day.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Still hard to fathom that YAH is belittled by Bible readers. I was sitting in a UPC Church just last night were as usual as practically EVERY MEETING....YAH....is praised.

No, they call Him Jesus.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes without doubt last night in mid week meetings in THOUSANDS of Pentecostal Churches just in America, not to mention the whole world disciples of Jesus raised their hands and sang:

HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH!!!!!

Typical Yahwist, Sacred Name hoping. Mike, the New Testament doesn't use YAH. Not once. Jesus NEVER tells anyone that they have to say anything in Hebrew, or Greek, or Latin. Imagine, real Bible doesn't require anyone to learn another language or say a name or make up fifty of them in Hebrew.
Ἁλληλούϊα is found in The New Testament. Mike I asked you over and over again to pronounce λούϊα! You ran from it like your head was on fire. Does it sound like YAH? Does it sound like YAH? NO! My wife busted out laughing when I read her your post. She just shook her head. You are the guy who can't speak or understand Hebrew, but insists that Jesus was referring to God as YAH. When we do not have one time in the New Testament where Jesus does. Nothing transliterated. NOTHING!!!! YAH is good? But we do know Mike is blind.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Of course every time they do this they are worshiping YAH.

Actually, they aren't as mixed up as you. They were all baptized in Jesus name. Sadly, if the pastor doesn't connect his left foot to your hind end and allows you to stick around. Some poor slob might get to hear you Yahshua it up. Get confused and buy into your foolishness.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is commonly known that both Youngs and Strongs Concordance define Hallelujah as:

PRAISE YAH!

So why not take your war against HIM to the many Apostolic/Pentecostal Churches who do this and take great joy in it?

They take great joy in Jesus name. But where did the apostles or Jesus make such a fuss for YAH? Nowhere, not one line. Paul doesn't use it, James doesn't use it, Peter doesn't use it. Because it isn't in the New Testament.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

As to your friend I am blessed that he would take the time to watch my Youtubes and that he seems to have approved some of them. As to what I teach on the end time being real "knee slappers" I recall what Peter said about men in the end times.

That's another thing about futurism. It causes ecclesiastical internet hermits like yourself to be self righteous. Like the Jehovah Witness who is taught that when their message is rejected it is due to the end of days. Because anyone who rejects their truth is really an apostate. You aren't accountable to anyone, you blow and go. Anyone who doesn't believe or critiques you, they are some written into your eschatology lake of fire. Where all naysayers to you, not Jesus, YOU. End up on the reprobate pile. Good job Mike. People like you are the reason my parents were convinced that attracts insane people, and those who have an inflated view of themselves. Peace and love??? Yeah...sure.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This prophetic word is being fulfilled as we speak.

Then again I am "closed as a clam" to any other belief?

Actually I seemed to have been more open to change than at least "many".

I have in time past believed in semi Trinitarianism, pre tribulation rapture, immortal soul, eternal burning of souls, and once saved always saved.

In other words I have had to change practically EVERYTHING I believed foundation wise.

Yet....if someone shows me an area of truth more persuasive to me than what I see presently by scripture I would have to yet humble myself again and repent, embrace it, and move on.

Willing to change???

Mike, then why won't you answer questions????

The liberals in this country won't answer questions, why?

Because they know they have no answers, and are unwilling to change.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

As to being a "Yeshuer" I suppose that means I believe Jesus was born with a Hebrew name and that I honor it.

Then why Mike, Jesus had a disciple his name was Phillip. What is the Hebrew translation of that name?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

To that I plead guilty.

Yes, you love Jewsus instead of Jesus.

Mike, I posted a thread filled with long feature length movies of Christian Asians. They are all speaking Hebrew. Every movie has these Asians speaking Hebrew. They don't call Jesus Yeshua, they call Him His name is Chinese. Yet, you believe Hebrew was the first language, that the New Testament Jesus was blowing and going totally in Hebrew. That His followers all were speaking nothing but Hebrew. You can't even deal with the thought that Jesus was never called a Hebrew name. That is on the same level as you believing that your birth parents weren't your birth parents. But that they found you in the woods being taken care of by wolves, with a twin brother.

It is because you bought into the whole Dispensationalist Hebrew Onlyism. You are a PRE TRIBBER you just paste POST after the trib. You are no different. Yet, you give them a hard way to go over the Internet and YouTubes like you are some sort of Apostle to the masses.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

YAH IS GOOD

Mike, somewhere a Rabbi is laughing at you.

His name might be Tovia Singer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Therefore the term "coming of the Lord" is a reference to a TYPE of event and NOT to a specific occurrence of an event.

Some Biblical proof of the assertion:

The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
(Isaiah 13:1-19)

Here, God pronounces the downfall of Babylon at the hands of the Medes. The event is called "the day of the Lord", filled with His "wrath and indignation". The coming of the Medes with their armies is said to be the coming of the Lord Himself: "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land." Cosmic disturbances are spoken of: the sun, moon, and stars being darkened and put out. The heavens would be shaken, the earth moved out of its place (as in a global earthquake).

This is language used in Scripture concerning the destruction of the Babylonian empire at the hand of the Medes, not the "second coming" or the end of the world. Also, it should be noted that this day of the Lord was said to be "at hand". Isaiah gave this prophecy approximately 250 years before Babylon fell to the Medes, yet it was "at hand" when the prophecy was spoken.

The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.
(Isaiah 19:1-4)

Here is a prophecy against Egypt which was fulfilled when that country was torn apart by civil war, resulting in twelve kingdoms (known historically as the "Dodekarchy"). This took place in 695 BC. The Egyptians rose up against their Ethiopian overlords, overthrew them, and dissolved the kingdom into civil war between 12 smaller kingdoms that arose. Eventually, the war was resolved by the rise to power of Psammeticus in 670 BC, the ruler of Sais (one of the 12 kingdoms), who conquered the rest and forged them back into a single monarchy. His son, Pharoah Necho, soon established himself as the "cruel lord" with his plan to build a canal in the Suez region: "Necho (616-597), the son and successor of Psammetichus, renewed the project of Ramses-Miamun, to construct a Suez canal, and tore away 120,000 of the natives of the land from their homes, sending them to wear out their lives in forced labour of the most wearisome kind. A revolt on the part of the native troops, who had been sent against the rising Cyrene, and driven back into the desert, led to the overthrow of Hophra, the grandson of Necho (570), and put an end to the hateful government of the family of Psammetichus." - Keil and Delitzsch Commentary.

Yet, in this prophecy concerning Egypt which came to pass in the early 7th century BC, it is described as a coming of the Lord upon the clouds.

The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem? Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof.
(Micah 1:1-6)

Here, doom is prophesied against both Samaria and Jerusalem. Samaria was destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC (I believe, I might be off by a year or so), and Jerusalem later in the 600s by Babylon. Yet, the prophesied destruction of the two cities is described as the Lord "coming out of His place... coming down to earth... treading upon the mountains... which will be melted..."

In other words, the concept of the Lord "coming" is clearly used in the Old Testament as a descriptive term for God visiting , usually in judgment against nations and cities. The point being, there is clearly more than one "coming of the Lord".

Mike, if the United States is invaded by Russia and China. We get a beat down like Cooter Brown, guess what. That will be considered BIBLICALLY a coming of the Lord. Nations that kill infants at birth, are filled to the brim with transvestites, homosexuals, and deviants (Creepy Uncle Joe Biden) sooner or later get a knock on the door from Jesus. He starts taken names, and in the end it won't look pretty. We will be nothing more than a greasy spot.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Hey, Mike.

I got people watching your video.

[diakonos]

I have answered many questions on the forum. The problem is when someone wants to argue something like "what is air"

That is really an important question. You missed a great opportunity to learn something.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, if the United States is invaded by Russia and China. We get a beat down like Cooter Brown, guess what. That will be considered BIBLICALLY a coming of the Lord. Nations that kill infants at birth, are filled to the brim with transvestites, homosexuals, and deviants (Creepy Uncle Joe Biden) sooner or later get a knock on the door from Jesus. He starts taken names, and in the end it won't look pretty. We will be nothing more than a greasy spot.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

But why does it "seem" to you to be teaching a relatively short period? That's the question. "Why is is a short period in the future?" "Well, because it seems like a short period in the future." That doesn't really explain anything.

Originally Posted by Esaias

We are trying to examine your doctrine but you aren't actually answering the questions, at least not mine: Why should we believe the Revelation concerns ONLY a future end time scenario? Covering a short period of time at the end, still in the future?

Mike? Or, any futurists for that matter?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

That is really an important question. You missed a great opportunity to learn something.

But that isn't what its all about. Mike is a talking head, not a Socratic teacher by any length. He is the pitcher, he throws all the balls. We just need to catch them. Asking hard questions has Mike putting you into the cheap seats in 2 Peter 3:3. Yet, 2 Peter 3:3 isn't talking about Christians, Peter is solely referring to Non-Christian Judeans of the first century. "Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." The fathers are the patriarchs of the Tanakh. New Living Translation adds the name Jesus. Because it is ASSUMED that Peter is referring to Jesus' SECOND coming. Instead of Messiah's first coming. The Judeans who didn't accept Jesus, were STILL waiting for the coming of their Messiah. Like Modern Jews today. In Conservative Judaism they really aren't waiting for a Messiah, but believed he came spiritually. So, Mike just bought into the assumption, and it works for him. So when people critique his beliefs he can stamp Peter 3:3 on their foreheads and feel better about himself.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hey, Mike.

I got people watching your video.

Good job Dom

[Michael The Disciple]

This is really strange. People here in this thread talking about how I dont answer questions. And YET....here we are 10 pages later and there is nothing from Dom or Esaias about the meaning of Rev. 9:1-5

All they have done is to say I dont answer THEIR QUESTIONS.

It is you guys who are saying I know nothing about prophecy. I put what I believe in my video. You have rejected it. Fine.

But neither of you have offered an explanation as to the meaning of these verses.