why evangelics love Israel

[diakonos]

Please run along and find a beard thread or something, you clearly can't follow the conversation here.

This wasn’t necessary.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by diakonos

This wasn’t necessary.

Sure it was. If someone can't follow the conversation but instead wants to throw poo everywhere, why yes indeed they need to move along.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you support America? No, you claim America is Mystery Babylon. Tell me again why haven't you moved yet?

Churches have been burned in Israel. Happens quite a bit, apparently.

Even google will show you that. Apparently you didn't read the post where I quoted the rabbi and other sources plainly saying it is a mitzvah to burn christian churches in Israel.

The people today called Jews ARE NOT ISRAELITES. They are not the ancient house of Judah. They are a religious and political group that hates Jesus Christ.

The Truth.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The problem is that Israel does exist today. For hundreds of years Bible teachers taught prophecy from the view that there was no Israel. Everything scripture said about Israel was applied to the Church.

But in 1948 guess what? Israel came back into light. Jews came back from all over the world. One might say God never did that it was just the United Nations.

That would be like saying God never restored Judah back to the land after their Babylonian exile. Like saying it was only a Persian king that did it.

Many dont realize the sovereign hand of God moving behind the scenes.
They just see part of the picture rather than the whole counsel of God.

As per usual current events dictate to the Bible, not the other way around.

These individuals aren't looking at prophecy fulfilled, but telling themselves a current event looks like prophecy fulfilled. See the difference?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, let's look at how the Judeans determined a pedigree. Ezra 2:59-62

These were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: BUT they COULD NOT SHEW THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE, AND THEIR SEED, WHETHER THEY WERE OF ISRAEL.

The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two. And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the GILEADITE, and was called after their name:

These sought their register among those that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY, but they were NOT FOUND: therefore were they, AS POLLUTED, put from the priesthood.

Now if you would of taken blood from these priests you would of come up with genetic markers showing they were Semites. Yet, that obviously wasn't what the ancient Judeans or Israelites were looking for. It wasn't DNA genome. It was simply WHO MARRIED WHO. Who was the father of who, that is it. Might be a bit archaic, no biology involved, but they got the job done. Long lengthy genealogies like Jesus, which we have in Matthew and Luke. Jesus wasn't a priest, He wasn't of the sons of Zadok, but we have two genealogies for this Judean. A genealogy could make you or break you.So are the Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Modern Jews genetically related to those of the Bible? The answer would have to be not Biblically. Because it had little to do with actual genetics, but way more with pedigree lineages. So, when we go around calling these CONVERTS to Babylonian Talmudic Judaism the chosen people, the old testament Jews, so on and so forth. We are doing that mistakenly. For centuries the people who practiced what is called Judaism are known as Jews. Just like people who practice Pentecostalism are called Pentecostals. Difference being we would never believe the Pentecostals are an actually race, but sadly we feel no check in the logic area. Look, were they born in Judea? No, because hundreds of years ago it no longer was called Judea. Are they even of the tribe of Judah? Now that's like finding a chicken with a row of gold teeth. They are not related to the people who in Matthew 27:25, said "let His blood be upon us and upon our children." Look I'm of Italian decent but I cannot say that I'm directly related to the Romans of the Roman Empire. Without a Genealogical map it is impossible. Hence royalty, religious hierarchical families had stricht genealogies. So, did tribal groups of many nations, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Ethiopians and Israelites. Can my wife, daughters, and mother in law trace their lineages back to the ancient Greeks? NO WAY. But would anyone debate that issue with any passion? No, but when it comes to the Jews, and Israel we have made it a religiously pious and verboten issue if one should deny their pedigree with Moses. Sorry, but the Jews living today would get the left foot of fellowship from Ezra and Nehemiah.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, let's look at how the Judeans determined a pedigree. Ezra 2:59-62

These were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: BUT they COULD NOT SHEW THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE, AND THEIR SEED, WHETHER THEY WERE OF ISRAEL.

The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two. And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the GILEADITE, and was called after their name:

These sought their register among those that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY, but they were NOT FOUND: therefore were they, AS POLLUTED, put from the priesthood.

Now if you would of taken blood from these priests you would of come up with genetic markers showing they were Semites. Yet, that obviously wasn't what the ancient Judeans or Israelites were looking for. It wasn't DNA genome. It was simply WHO MARRIED WHO. Who was the father of who, that is it. Might be a bit archaic, no biology involved, but they got the job done. Long lengthy genealogies like Jesus, which we have in Matthew and Luke. Jesus wasn't a priest, He wasn't of the sons of Zadok, but we have two genealogies for this Judean. A genealogy could make you or break you.So are the Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Modern Jews genetically related to those of the Bible? The answer would have to be not Biblically. Because it had little to do with actual genetics, but way more with pedigree lineages. So, when we go around calling these CONVERTS to Babylonian Talmudic Judaism the chosen people, the old testament Jews, so on and so forth. We are doing that mistakenly. For centuries the people who practiced what is called Judaism are known as Jews. Just like people who practice Pentecostalism are called Pentecostals. Difference being we would never believe the Pentecostals are an actually race, but sadly we feel no check in the logic area. Look, were they born in Judea? No, because hundreds of years ago it no longer was called Judea. Are they even of the tribe of Judah? Now that's like finding a chicken with a row of gold teeth. They are not related to the people who in Matthew 27:25, said "let His blood be upon us and upon our children." Look I'm of Italian decent but I cannot say that I'm directly related to the Romans of the Roman Empire. Without a Genealogical map it is impossible. Hence royalty, religious hierarchical families had stricht genealogies. So, did tribal groups of many nations, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Ethiopians and Israelites. Can my wife, daughters, and mother in law trace their lineages back to the ancient Greeks? NO WAY. But would anyone debate that issue with any passion? No, but when it comes to the Jews, and Israel we have made it a religiously pious and verboten issue if one should deny their pedigree with Moses. Sorry, but the Jews living today would get the left foot of fellowship from Ezra and Nehemiah.

Just in case anyone needs to read it again.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Just in case anyone needs to read it again.

It was even better the second time around lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The real reason Christians love Israel.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

And some Christians like Irvin Baxter are actively working to be witnesses of the coming of Jesus Christ to the Jewish people that they might be saved. Something the Apostolic Church believed would happen in the future.

2 Cor 3:14-16

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

I don’t look too deep into various endtime views. Every view loses me around Revelations 15. . But, I have read Bible studies, aside from end times, by Brother Baxter and he does a very good job.

Having said that, as I was reading your scripture in 2 Cor 3:14-16, I felt it was speaking in regard to any course of evangelism that would reach any Jew, any time - as Paul ministered in his day to any time going forward. I am sure Paul knew they wouldn’t be won in a day, so to speak.

Your scriptures Posted speak to all Jews today and is another reason I would stand against anti-Semitic attacks.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don’t look too deep into various endtime views. Every view loses me around Revelations 15. . But, I have read Bible studies, aside from end times, by Brother Baxter and he does a very good job.

Having said that, as I was reading your scripture in 2 Cor 3:14-16, I felt it was speaking in regard to any course of evangelism that would reach any Jew, any time - as Paul ministered in his day to any time going forward. I am sure Paul knew they wouldn’t be won in a day, so to speak.

Your scriptures Posted speak to all Jews today and is another reason I would stand against anti-Semitic attacks.

What is amazingly illogical is that those you believe to be semites aren’t. That is number one. They are all converts to Medieval Babylonian Talmudism. Sephardic from Spain, Northen Africa, and Westrn Europe. Ashkanazi, Eastern Europe, Armenia, and Persia. Yet, you have been programmed to overlook all of this to insert a hodgepodge of mixed groups who had just adopted a religion. A religion that is as foreign to scripture as Mormonism. But you are purely innocent because if you have been under Dispensationalistic teachings you can’t even precieve anything less. So Modern Jews to you are directly related to Abraham and Moses. You don’t even need solid factual Bible proof. With all the effectiveness of a Jim Jones Kool-Aid get together. You will defend an unscriptural theory. Why the lineage of Christ? It is reduced to some story how God’s thoughts on Gentiles? Instead of the PROOF of who Jesus is as the lineage of David. Ezra and Nehemiah are a slam dunk to the whole fictional Modern Jews having a actual covenant (on pause) with God outside of the New Covenant. Pretty blaspheming if you think about it. I know, I know, you would and will reject any such thought. But if the truth be known, your whole focus around Modern Jews begs the question. If we use scripture like who curses them will be cursed, who blesses them will be blessed. Apple of God’s eye? But how can that still be? If a brighter greater way has come through Christ. But you have a group which rejects it? Not only that but blasphemes the very name of Christ. What is mind blowing is me making these totally Jesus name Christ honoring statements and being called Antisemetic? Rabbis roll on the floor with tears in their eyes, holding their stomachs just to hear one Christian say that to another. All in defense of them. Bravo, good job to a teaching that has hamstrung truth.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I can’t stress this enough. When someone makes the simple comment, modern Egyptians aren’t Ancient Egyptians no one gets defensive. If I made the statement that Alex Haley can not PROVE beyound the shadow of doubt, that he is directly related to a Mandingo named Kunta Kinte. Especially because he doesn’t have a shred of physical evidence in the way of genealogy. No one in the church world would blink an eyelash. But say that not one Jew living today can meet God’s criteria found in Ezra and Nehemiah. Then buddy boy, step back and watch the fur fly. The absolute effectiveness of Dispensationalism to replace the Church Triumphant with a physical Israel and a people we call Jews is amazing. John Hagee is proof how his organization Christians United for Israel is even bigger and more influential than the lobby AIPAC. Hagee even had gone as far as saying that Jesus wasn’t even the Messiah to the Jews. Therefore how can they be held responsible for rejecting Him? This all comes down to those who have been raised under a doctrine which revolves around a special group. That special group isn’t the Apostolic church baptized in Jesus name. But a modern day political entity. One that strives to be secular, and not religious. If they are religious their religion is based on the Babylonian Talmud not the Tanakh. The modern Christian just becomes an end to a means and the political Modern Israeli knows it. Is that antisemetic? Because someone points out the obvious?
Why? It has not one bit of malice, but just observation of a paradigm.