Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Only through Jesus Christ does the lineage continue.

ONLY through being born again into the Body of Christ the True Israel of God does one have the real pedigree.

And everyone said, "Amen!"

[Esaias]

"I just remembered something Esaias was saying and where we really had the disagreement - the Jews of today or not the same people as Biblical times. The thing is, they follow the same Hebrew Bible, and so they think that they are and so do I. "

Actually, they do NOT "follow the Hebrew Bible", they follow the Talmud. This is another area where Christians really don't understand the issues involved. Many think that Jews are just "proto Christians who haven't got past the book of Malachi yet". Truth is, Judaism is Pharisaism, literally. They follow the traditions of the elders (Mishna, Gemara, and rabbinic halacha).

Jews do not practice "the Old Testament religion".

[Esaias]

"So, no, I do not believe that genetic genealogy is bogus."

Two identical twins get their DNA tested and they have widely different ancestries. Then go to several different testing companies and each of them get totally different results from each company.

Genetic geneology IS bogus. And, if a person understands HOW these companies actually generate "results", the bogus-ness is readily apparent.

If you get tested, to what do they compare your results, to be able say anything about you?

Why, they compare your results to the samples submitted by other people.

Just stop and think about the only possible LOGICAL results that could be obtained from such a methodology...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Israel’s ambassador to UN goes biblical during meeting with Security Council
https://www.jns.org/israels-ambassad...urity-council/

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“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant. And I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, all the land of Cana’an, for an everlasting possession. And I will be their God,” he said.

The Israeli ambassador added: “From the book of Genesis; to the Jewish exodus from Egypt; to receiving the Torah on Mount Sinai … and to the realization of God’s covenant in the Holy Land of Israel; the Bible paints a consistent picture. The entire history of our people, and our connection to (the Land of Israel), begins right here.”

“This is our deed to our land,” he asserted.


Israel belongs to the Jews.

The Land Promise wasn't made with "the Jews", it was made with a nation called Israel consisting of TWELVE tribes (not just Judah). Who were also prophesied to become a multitude of nations, a company of nations, a vast multitude, be a blessing to every family on earth, spread abroad in all directions and rule, reign, colonize everywhere, recognize Messiah, spread the Gospel to every nation...

So, no, the people today calling themselves "Jews" are not those people you read about in the Bible.

Biblical promises do not transfer to Turkic Khazars and Edomites just because they adopt the religion of Satan and lie about being Judah. Sorry Charlie.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"I just remembered something Esaias was saying and where we really had the disagreement - the Jews of today or not the same people as Biblical times. The thing is, they follow the same Hebrew Bible, and so they think that they are and so do I. "

Actually, they do NOT "follow the Hebrew Bible", they follow the Talmud. This is another area where Christians really don't understand the issues involved. Many think that Jews are just "proto Christians who haven't got past the book of Malachi yet". Truth is, Judaism is Pharisaism, literally. They follow the traditions of the elders (Mishna, Gemara, and rabbinic halacha).

Jews do not practice "the Old Testament religion".

Ah yes..the Talmud which is basically their commentary on the OT.


Remember in the OT where there wasnt a Word for a long period of time?



Some folks might have never read the Talmud...they might need some tutoring on how it differs from our beloved King James.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Ah yes..the Talmud which is basically their commentary on the OT.

Talmud isn't actually "commentary on the old testament". It consists of Mishna (the Oral Law supposedly passed down by word of mouth from Moses to the Rabbis). It also has Gemara (rabbinic discussion of Mishna, Bible, and other rabbinic arguments and anecdotes, includes reams of argumentation about application of Torah both written and Oral, etc).

Halacha is the legal rulings made by rabbis based on Talmud.

Then there is the Zohar...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Talmud isn't actually "commentary on the old testament". It consists of Mishna (the Oral Law supposedly passed down by word of mouth from Moses to the Rabbis). It also has Gemara (rabbinic discussion of Mishna, Bible, and other rabbinic arguments and anecdotes, includes reams of argumentation about application of Torah both written and Oral, etc).

Halacha is the legal rulings made by rabbis based on Talmud.

Then there is the Zohar...

This is true. I actually should have written the Tanakh is the Hebrew Bible.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Talmud isn't actually "commentary on the old testament". It consists of Mishna (the Oral Law supposedly passed down by word of mouth from Moses to the Rabbis). It also has Gemara (rabbinic discussion of Mishna, Bible, and other rabbinic arguments and anecdotes, includes reams of argumentation about application of Torah both written and Oral, etc).

Halacha is the legal rulings made by rabbis based on Talmud.

Then there is the Zohar...

And pray tell...what is the Zohar mister? You gonna tell us or what? Lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

And pray tell...what is the Zohar mister? You gonna tell us or what? Lol

lol

"The Zohar is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah. It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology." from Wikipedia

Keep in mind, "commentary on... Torah" means Torah as understood by Judaism, ie Scripture, Oral Law, Gemarah, Gematria, halachah, etc.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Biblically, to be considered “Jewish,” a person would either be born of Jewish parents, born of a Jewish mother or be a gentile converted according to Old Testament Law. This latter group is known as a “proselyte.” Though proselytes converted to Judaism, they did not gain entry into a Jewish tribe, since their conversion did not add them to the already ongoing history of Jewish lineage. The only way to become part of this genealogy was to marry into it. Examples of such conversion are a Canaanite named Rahab (Rachab), and a Moabitess named Ruth. Both of these former gentiles are mentioned in Jesus’ Jewish genealogy (see Matthew 1:5). When these gentile women married their Jewish husbands, they became believers in the one true God, and they agreed to keep the Old Testament commandments (see Joshua 2:9-11; Ruth 1:16). As a result, they became members of their husband’s Jewish tribe. This is why we find both Rahab and Ruth in the lineage of Judah, and why they are both listed in the ancestry leading back to Abraham and Adam. Such inclusion into a Jewish tribe was never available for gentiles who remained in idolatry.

The Law requires that Priests provide a written lineage to prove they derived from a pure Hebrew bloodline (see Exodus 6:14-25; Numbers 3:1-5, Numbers 3:17-39, Numbers 26:57-61; Nehemiah 7:4-73; Nehemiah 12:1-26; Matthew 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38). This evidence had to be a written account proving an untainted bloodline tracing back to the time of Abraham and Adam. DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) can't—and never will—do this since it cannot prove there was never any gentile blood in their descents. The Bible disqualified a priest and his offspring if there was ever any intermingling with gentiles (see Nehemiah 7:5, Nehemiah 7:63-64; Ezra 2:61-62, Ezra 10:11-19). In addition to this, if you were a priest during the time of Herod’s Temple, you had to prove, not only Levite lineage, but also, more specifically, a lineage from the Levite tribe of Zadok (see Ezekiel 43:19, Ezekiel 44:15-17, Ezekiel 48:11-12). The Jewish lineage records were burned and destroyed during the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Thus, no such records remain that can prove an untainted bloodline dating back to the time of Adam.

Isn't this where Dispensationalists chime in and state that when the second beast who comes up out of the earth with two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon comes along and calls down fire, consuming the sacrifice on the altar in a rebuilt third temple, and so, lineages and genealogies be damned?

Which is to say, Jews will believe this beast is sent from God because of his supernatural power, that he is in fact Elijah who was to come, and all that?

At that point the Scripture test will be of no import.