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05-30-2019, 09:17 PM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Luke
Very conservative. Free holiness.
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What is "Free Holiness"?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-31-2019, 02:36 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Originalist
In the geopolitical world, a liberal is someone who believes in one's life being dictated to and cared for by a nanny state. Individual goals and dreams must be set aside. One's focus must be on maintaining the needs of the state.
In the geopolitical world, conservatism is founded on freedom of conscious and self-reliance with as little influence as possible from government. The focus is on the individual, not the state. The individual rises or falls based on his own efforts.
Yet, somehow in the Apostolic world, we have swapped titles. The former would be called "conservative" while the latter would be called "liberal".
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Liberal and conservative are words created by the elites' propaganda machines to keep people fooled into thinking there's some kind of actual choice in politics.
Kind of like Menshevik vs Bolshevik, Leninist vs Stalinist vs Maost, Che vs Castro, etc etc.
They are labels meant to appeal to various demographics but the end result is the same. Liberals dont liberate anything except maybe your money and conservatives dont conserve anything except the liberal agenda.
The entire paradigm is designed on purpose to keep the hamsters spinning their wheels.
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05-31-2019, 02:37 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by CC1
What is "Free Holiness"?
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The Wesleyan Holiness version of "GIB".
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05-31-2019, 05:54 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
Free holiness would be independent trinitarian churches that adhere to biblical standards of righteousness and holiness.
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05-31-2019, 05:56 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Liberal and conservative are words created by the elites' propaganda machines to keep people fooled into thinking there's some kind of actual choice in politics.
Kind of like Menshevik vs Bolshevik, Leninist vs Stalinist vs Maost, Che vs Castro, etc etc.
They are labels meant to appeal to various demographics but the end result is the same. Liberals dont liberate anything except maybe your money and conservatives dont conserve anything except the liberal agenda.
The entire paradigm is designed on purpose to keep the hamsters spinning their wheels.
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One monster operating multiple sock puppets.
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05-31-2019, 06:14 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Originalist
Most Apostolic churches I have attended had a leadership model resembling the "old conservatives". They remind me of the Feudal Lord system, with Barons, Counts, and Knights closing the ranks of leadership, and the Serfs taking up the rear
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Is that anything like Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors teachers Bishops Elders Deacons Presbytery Saint Preacher.
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05-31-2019, 07:54 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by loran adkins
Remind me again which part of the doctrine was set by Jesus and cannot be changed.
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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness
All of it.
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Originally Posted by Ehud
Had to know that was coming, right?  |
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Originally Posted by Amanah
Love God and love others for love is the fulfillment of the law.
I'm reading through Exodus at the moment, noting how all of God's commands are for how we are to worship God and care for each other in relationships, even to caring for strangers, animals, and the fields we sow and harvest. The same with the beatitudes. What is the fruit of the Spirit if not the expression of the Love of God.
If we take care to guard our hearts and minds but what we see or hear
guard our brothers and sisters hearts by our conduct and manner of living
we are expressing love for God and for others.
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That is just what I expected, but that kind of statement it what I would have said 20 years ago. But I have found that most if not all of what we call "all of it" is our own way of looking at things with the spin that we have been taught not what the word really says or means.
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05-31-2019, 09:11 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by loran adkins
That is just what I expected, but that kind of statement it what I would have said 20 years ago. But I have found that most if not all of what we call "all of it" is our own way of looking at things with the spin that we have been taught not what the word really says or means.
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You may need to define what you mean by "doctrine". Also you may want to define what you believe you look at with a "spin".
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05-31-2019, 09:12 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
I am a Conservative Christian. Contend for the faith ONCE DELIVERED to the saints. Our doctrine was set by Jesus and cannot be changed.
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Originally Posted by loran adkins
Remind me again which part of the doctrine was set by Jesus and cannot be changed.
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Good question.
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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness
All of it.
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Not quite. There are many doctrines created by men within the past century. Most are related to dress codes.
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05-31-2019, 10:24 AM
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Re: Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, etc.
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Originally Posted by n david
Good question.
Not quite. There are many doctrines created by men within the past century. Most are related to dress codes.
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You may need to define "doctrine". When I say "doctrine" Im referring to the teachings of the bible. So when I say Jesus gave us all of it thats what Im referring to.
You know there are no man made doctrines in Pentecost.
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