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08-30-2019, 04:40 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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If you think a church having security measures in any way equates to some idiot pastors wife grabbing her gun to "handle" something then you go to church with people a lot stupider than I do.
A stupid person can do a stupid thing anytime anywhere regardless of any official policy. Saying churches should not have security because of this woman is like saying people should not drive cars because drunk drivers kill people.
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Sorry Bro, but when we look at most of the churches where they have security...some of these people are not real stable. Sorry but true.
Many of the guys are living in a fantasy world where they are living out their Louis Lamour lives and the others are just redneck central.
I have traveled enough out there to be more afraid of the so called security than the demoniac walking down the street.
Some of these churches have some scary people in them.
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08-30-2019, 04:57 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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So you are saying that here the people are the problem?
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Uhm ... YES! Especially the Pastor's wife, if the article is accurate.
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The gun did not add to the situation at all?
According to the article she left and went out to "get her gun" and take care of the situation.
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The gun was a tool, that's it. Had she not had a gun, she would have gone to the kitchen for a knife or used some other weapon. The problem was the Pastor's wife, not the gun. The gun would have remained in the car if not for the Pastor's wife flipping out.
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How many apostolics have the same attitude even here on AFF?
Bless God I'll just shoot them!
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Dear Lord, I hope not!
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Every time this minister and his wife try to reach someone now that is going to be hanging over their head.
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Actions have consequences. Honestly, this is enough to warrant the organization to have a chat with the Pastor and strongly suggest that Pastoring a church probably isn't their ministry, if this is how his wife reacts to issues.
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08-30-2019, 04:58 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
Here is another news outlets reporting of the incident. Looks like they first tried to cover up what happened with some story about her having a seizure as she was getting something out of her purse and the gun accidently discharged. The police report is that when her husband saw she had grabbed her gun he was trying to take it away from her when it discharged. Wow! Talk about a woman who seems destined to blow up her husbands ministry. She clearly has issues.
https://woay.tv/wife-of-a-pastor-in-...-pastors-wife/
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-30-2019, 04:59 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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Uhm ... YES! Especially the Pastor's wife, if the article is accurate.
The gun was a tool, that's it. Had she not had a gun, she would have gone to the kitchen for a knife or used some other weapon. The problem was the Pastor's wife, not the gun. The gun would have remained in the car if not for the Pastor's wife flipping out.
Dear Lord, I hope not!
Actions have consequences. Honestly, this is enough to warrant the organization to have a chat with the Pastor and strongly suggest that Pastoring a church probably isn't their ministry, if this is how his wife reacts to issues.
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Excellent.post
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-30-2019, 05:12 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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Here is another news outlets reporting of the incident. Looks like they first tried to cover up what happened with some story about her having a seizure as she was getting something out of her purse and the gun accidently discharged. The police report is that when her husband saw she had grabbed her gun he was trying to take it away from her when it discharged. Wow! Talk about a woman show would seem destined to blow up her husbands ministry. She clearly has issues.
https://woay.tv/wife-of-a-pastor-in-...-pastors-wife/ |
Not a good look for the Pastor husband. I understand the human desire to protect his wife, but lying is not good. Hope he didn't put that on a report or he could be charged as well.
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08-30-2019, 05:16 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
Looked for the church on FB, found a post from August 22nd:
"""Great church again tonight! Such a wonderful loving spirit of JESUS! Preached on “ Just Trust JESUS”
Love fixes everything that is why JESUS died on the the cross so just relax and Trust JESUS!"""
There was one comment: "But watch out for the guns."
smh 
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59115937646540
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08-30-2019, 06:36 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
In my state, it is against the law for a person to bring a gun to church, concealed or not, without the permission of the pastor.
And the only ones in our church that have the permission of the pastor, are the safety team members that have been approved to carry. There is continual documentation on continual progressing relevant skills(not just shooting) training, de-escalation, as well as shooting qualifications, that are kept by the pastor. The members all individually carry “gun carry insurance”, like US Law Shield, for personal protection if “the worst” were to happen.
Verbally making it known by announcement to the church body, that the only ones permissible to carry are the persons on the team, brings accountability in many ways, better protects all those in the body, as well as any involved if something bad happens(not to mention avoiding utter life threatening chaos), and weeds out the majority of folk that feel like they need to bring a gun, and are so “lacking in several areas”, from personality, wit, wisdom, judgement, patience, self control, first aid, gun handling and shooting skill, de-escalation skill, etc etc etc...
A few reason(s) to have a few responsible gun carriers in church:
2 year old on growing list of house of worship shootings:
https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-w...gs-since-2012/
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08-30-2019, 06:38 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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Looked for the church on FB, found a post from August 22nd:
"""Great church again tonight! Such a wonderful loving spirit of JESUS! Preached on “ Just Trust JESUS”
Love fixes everything that is why JESUS died on the the cross so just relax and Trust JESUS!"""
There was one comment: "But watch out for the guns."
smh
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59115937646540 |
Sad but funny. After a situation like this I am afraid this pastor and his wife need to move on and let the church have a fresh start with a new pastor and wife. I feel bad for them but they have to do what is best for the body of Christ.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-30-2019, 09:57 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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Now these people might be the greatest people in the world but look at the negative that goes with guns and the church.
Now all the pro-church gunners want to bring up hypothetical situations? This is a real world situation where the event went sour and could have went very very bad.
Again, these might be great people, but think of the negative now that that church and the ministry there has to overcome.
Think of the bad reputation and the stigma now in that city that has to be lived with.
Sorry folks, it is not worth it.
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This was not at a service. It was a meeting on a Saturday between the pastor and his wife with the youth pastor and his wife, because the pastor's wife had a beef with the youth pastor's wife, apparently over standards of all things. They got into a harpy screeching contest and the pastor's wife marched out to the parking lot and got her gun. Pastor apparently tried to disarm her and the gun discharged as a result. That's kind of what happens when two people wrestle with a firearm.
There are obviously some serious issues between the two women. From my experience dealing with human beings, I strongly suspect the pastor's wife thought the youth pastor's wife was anglin' for the pastor and that was the source of her obvious rage. As this was in West Virginia I wouldn't be surprised if everyone involved is cheating on/with everyone and lots of meth might be in play as well.
A snake handling oneness church with connections in W.Va. imploded several years ago because the pastor was cheating on his wife with another minister's wife, and the pastor's wife was having an affair with said minister, several others in the church were having affairs with multiple persons, and everybody was on meth. Pastor I think went to jail, and their church youtube page became a minor sensation.
Most people who carry do so in case they run into people like this.
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08-30-2019, 11:05 PM
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Re: Another Reason NOT to have guns in Church.
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A snake handling oneness church with connections in W.Va. imploded several years ago because the pastor was cheating on his wife with another minister's wife, and the pastor's wife was having an affair with said minister, several others in the church were having affairs with multiple persons, and everybody was on meth. Pastor I think went to jail, and their church youtube page became a minor sensation
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