Depression

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I was able to take part of the last day of BOTT 2020. I enjoyed the messages I heard, and it looked like from point of view that it was a great conference. One thing I was really looking forward to viewing was the discussion panel, the conferences I’ve been to never had them. So, I was interested in seeing one in action in a church setting. The topic was being made whole, and they discussed that ministering to a church, to families can at times be overwhelming. Problems within Pastors homes are often hidden for the fact that “fellowships” might judge them. The participants all agreed that even though that they had faith to see God work in other people lives, it seemed that the problems they were going through were not being solved. It was a very good discussion, not being critical in any way. The reason for this thread is what the wife of the moderator for the discussion said. This Sister (I’m sorry I don’t remember her name) said that I believe for several years she battled depression, and she prayed, had elders pray for her! She said nothing was working, she was in a dark depression. She then went on to say that she went to a doctor to take medication, and I believe she talked with a therapist (that may have been the other gentleman). Anyway, not being critical, nor am I trying to embarrass this Sister. How does anyone here view depression? Do you believe we go to the doctors, take medication and problem solved? Is it spiritual? What say anyone of you...

This is 32 years old. A.D. Spears from Because of the Time 1988. Howevcer it is one of the best sermons addressing depression,etc I have ever heard in Pentecost. I was there in person and when it was over turned to my wife and said "hearing this sermon should be required for anybody seeking a UPC license".

[Evang.Benincasa]

Good prayer meeting works for me

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Good prayer meeting works for me

Everybody! Prayer meeting at Benincasas place! 😁

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Everybody! Prayer meeting at Benincasas place! 😁

[Armapeet.Singh]

Originally Posted by diakonos

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Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Heaviness is a spirit, we call it depression.

The Strong's describes it as following.

H3544
כּהה
kêheh
kay-heh'
From H3543; feeble, obscure: - somewhat dark, darkish, wax dim, heaviness, smoking.

Isaiah calls it a spirit.

The garment of praise is given by God to combat this spirit of heaviness.

That is why it is so important to get together with God's people and worship the Lord, and to learn the importance of praise and worship in our lives.

Praise is a physical event that produces a spiritual result... ie deliverance from heaviness.

Heaviness/ depression is a spiritual oppression that produces a physical result.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Armapeet.Singh

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Heaviness is a spirit, we call it depression.

The Strong's describes it as following.

H3544
כּהה
kêheh
kay-heh'
From H3543; feeble, obscure: - somewhat dark, darkish, wax dim, heaviness, smoking.

Isaiah calls it a spirit.

The garment of praise is given by God to combat this spirit of heaviness.

That is why it is so important to get together with God's people and worship the Lord, and to learn the importance of praise and worship in our lives.

Praise is a physical event that produces a spiritual result... ie deliverance from heaviness.

Heaviness/ depression is a spiritual oppression that produces a physical result.

Awesome!

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Taking prescribed medicine for depression is no different than taking aspirin for a headache.

Go to the doctor and do what he says.

I believe there is a difference between aspirin for headaches, and medication for depression. Maybe your seeing something I’m not, please explain.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Brother how are we destroyed? What type of knowledge do we need so that were not destroyed? Is it just the knowledge of Acts 2:38? I bring this up, because its just a thought that has been on my heart, are we suffering because we don’t have knowledge of what were facing in sickness, life, church etc? Let me know what you think.

The lack of knowledge Hosea spoke of was the knowledge that comes from the fear of God manifested in sincere obedience to the law of God. People are suffering today because of the divine curses upon disobedience:

Deuteronomy 28:15,28-29,34,37 KJV
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: [28] The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: [29] And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee . [34] So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. [37] And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.

When society begins moving away from God, it begins moving away from blessing and towards cursing. And just as Adam's sin has produced negative effects on the whole creation, the nation's sins produce negative effects on everybody in the nation.

Jesus was asked about getting eternal life. The first thing He pointed to was the law of God. That is a base or starting point. Which is why repentance from dead works is part of the foundation of Christ's doctrine: repentance implies a cessation of disobedience and a return to obedience, in addition to contrition and being "sorry".

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Taking prescribed medicine for depression is no different than taking aspirin for a headache.

Go to the doctor and do what he says.

That’s what they told this woman, Matthew 9:20-22, Mark 5:25-34, and Luke 8:43-48. Listen if you have scarlet fever you have a condition which can be diagnosed with medical tests, body temperature, and blood tests. If you have spring fever it can’t be diagnosed with medical tests because it’s a feeling.

[coksiw]

This is a complex issue. I am aware that I may be oversimplifying but some times a lot of prayer can’t do much if an action isn’t taken.
For example, I know of one that struggled with depression and prayed a lot for deliverance with no answer. I saw the tears and the desperation and the pain. However it was obvious that the solution required a big change of mentality and lifestyle. Too big of a change at the time. Well, years later, after surviving with the meds, the needed change happened, and the guy is doing much better.

I know also of another similar case. And it took years of praying and reflection for the gal to break the stronghold that was causing her depression. She now testifies of her victory and helped others in similar situation.

Sometimes is a stronghold that you don’t even realize is in you. You only see the symptoms and don’t understand why. It takes a while for yourself to realize and admit the actual cause and have the will to overcome.

The same can be said for many cases of Anxiety. BTW, suffering Anxiety can cause depression.

I suffered bad anxiety, and while asking God for deliverance, his Spirit revealed to me that I had to make an effort to truly believe He could heal me. When I was feeling like a mess I told myself “one day I will be free of this, Jesus will keep working on me until I am whole”. Guess what was the cause of my Anxiety? Yes, lack of faith. I had to make an effort and start identifying and ignoring the thoughts of doubts and lack of trust; and quote scriptures to keep my soul on track. It took me a while to truly get strong against the temptation. Doubts can be very subtle, and lack of trust masks itself well.
To this day, I still pray every morning to be strong in faith during the day. I have overcome so much since then.