Bott 2020

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

He received a call from an evangelist the Sunday after BOTT about 1 in the morning. Both the man and his wife are sick, sick enough to call his PASTOR and ask him to pray for them. The evangelist says he believes its a spirit of Infirmity, they pray. The next day he gets a call form a Pastor from another state and asks him to pray, the Pastor tells him I just got back from BOTT and know I’m headed to the hospital, because I’m not sure what’s going on!

To some they may throw that off as coincidence, to others it doesn’t fit their methodology of how God has to work, and we wonder why we cant see the supernatural? The Bible tells us we have to come to him as a child, not a biblical scholar!

The two men do not know each other, and the one doesn’t know the other. But yet Armpit gets a call from both of them with the same elements, one day apart, and the common denominator is BOTT! Not only that, yet while at the BOTT conference a Pastors wife confesses that she has been on Depression medication.... She proclaims I prayed, fasted, had others pray for me and it didn’t work. She was encouraging others with the same problem to do as she did!

I will repeat, it's garbage to blame BOTT for two (out of 3K+) getting sick. Absolute garbage.

It's either bad seafood or other issues NOT having to do with BOTT which caused the illnesses.

My kids went to church Wednesday and within a day or two were sick with the flu. Should I blame the church for a "spirit of infirmity" and giving them the flu?

Absurd!

I agree with Votive. If you are so spiritually weak that some spirit can attach itself to you at an apostolic Minister's conference ... The conference is the lesser of the issue.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by n david

I will repeat, it's garbage to blame BOTT for two (out of 3K+ getting sick. Absolute garbage.

It's either bad seafood or other issues NOT having to do with BOTT which caused the illnesses.

My kids went to church Wednesday and within a day or two were sick with the flu. Should I blame the church for a "spirit of infirmity" and giving them the flu?

Absurd!

I agree with Votive. If you are so spiritually weak that some spirit can attach itself to you at an apostolic Minister's conference ... The conference is the lesser of the issue.

When i said the common denominator was BOTT. I wasn't suggesting that it was because of BOTT, I was saying they both were there. AT the conference the ministers wife proclaimed what she did.

You want to believe that it was seafood, or natural issues thats fine.

You dont have to be “weak” to be afflicted. There is a difference between, affliction, oppression, and possession.

True story, a sinner in the church was being delivered from a spirit of Adultery. The man who was delivered said he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him. He told this to the evangelist that was ministering deliverance....

2 years later the Pastor fell into adultery!

Was the Pastor weak? Was Job weak? It’s ignorant to say you have to be weak for a spirit to afflict you.

What is Spiritual Warfare? How often does it happen?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

True story, a sinner in the church was being delivered from a spirit of Adultery. The man who was delivered said he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him. He told this to the evangelist that was ministering deliverance....

2 years later the Pastor fell into adultery!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

When i said the common denominator was BOTT. I wasn't suggesting that it was because of BOTT, I was saying they both were there. AT the conference the ministers wife proclaimed what she did.

It certainly appeared you were placing blame on BOTT. Even your last sentence once again points at something which happened at the conference.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You want to believe that it was seafood, or natural issues thats fine.

Have there been any updates? I'm interested in what happened to the man who was rushed to the hospital.

You know the flu is epidemic status around here. I have a close friend from Bible School whose whole family has been diagnosed with the same type B influenza virus my twins have been battling. My brother and his large family from Colorado just finally got over the flu in their household.

I find it more likely that these are suffering from a stomach virus or pre-existing condition than they caught some demonic spirit of infirmity while attending a minister's conference.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You dont have to be “weak” to be afflicted. There is a difference between, affliction, oppression, and possession.

I absolutely agree that there's a difference between affliction and possession.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

True story, a sinner in the church was being delivered from a spirit of Adultery. The man who was delivered said he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him. He told this to the evangelist that was ministering deliverance....

2 years later the Pastor fell into adultery!

Was the Pastor weak? Was Job weak? It’s ignorant to say you have to be weak for a spirit to afflict you.

What is Spiritual Warfare? How often does it happen?

Want my opinion? I'll share anyway.

Either he made it up or that Pastor was dead, dry and empty.

"...he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him."

I do not believe a spirit-filled individual can be possessed by a demonic spirit. I do believe a person can be afflicted, but I do not believe they can be possessed.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by n david

It certainly appeared you were placing blame on BOTT. Even your last sentence once again points at something which happened at the conference.


Have there been any updates? I'm interested in what happened to the man who was rushed to the hospital.

You know the flu is epidemic status around here. I have a close friend from Bible School whose whole family has been diagnosed with the same type B influenza virus my twins have been battling. My brother and his large family from Colorado just finally got over the flu in their household.

I find it more likely that these are suffering from a stomach virus or pre-existing condition than they caught some demonic spirit of infirmity while attending a minister's conference.


I absolutely agree that there's a difference between affliction and possession.


Want my opinion? I'll share anyway.

Either he made it up or that Pastor was dead, dry and empty.

"...he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him."

I do not believe a spirit-filled individual can be possessed by a demonic spirit. I do believe a person can be afflicted, but I do not believe they can be possessed.

You can read it yourself.

https://images.app.goo.gl/FsyzUxvayeB3TNUK6

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You can read it yourself.

https://images.app.goo.gl/FsyzUxvayeB3TNUK6

What?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by n david

It certainly appeared you were placing blame on BOTT. Even your last sentence once again points at something which happened at the conference.


Have there been any updates? I'm interested in what happened to the man who was rushed to the hospital.

You know the flu is epidemic status around here. I have a close friend from Bible School whose whole family has been diagnosed with the same type B influenza virus my twins have been battling. My brother and his large family from Colorado just finally got over the flu in their household.

I find it more likely that these are suffering from a stomach virus or pre-existing condition than they caught some demonic spirit of infirmity while attending a minister's conference.


I absolutely agree that there's a difference between affliction and possession.


Want my opinion? I'll share anyway.

Either he made it up or that Pastor was dead, dry and empty.

"...he saw the spirit leave his body walk around the Pastor and enter into him."

I do not believe a spirit-filled individual can be possessed by a demonic spirit. I do believe a person can be afflicted, but I do not believe they can be possessed.

I absolutely agree that there's a difference between affliction and possession.

In your opinion what’s the difference between affliction, oppression, and possession?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

What?

The story I was referring to when I mentioned the Pastor that fell into Adultery. I was referring to a example from, Prayer (Verbal Bean)

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The story I was referring to when I mentioned the Pastor that fell into Adultery. I was referring to a example from, Prayer (Verbal Bean)

I heard a similar story from a friend... I thought you were relaying that story... though it wasn’t the pastor... My bad.

[Nicodemus1968]

I’m not here to push my beliefs on any of you. When I see something I believe I’ll comment just like anyone of you. I’ll post something that I would like to discuss, and usually goes off into another subject, I’m guilty of that I confess.

The spirit realm is one area that you either believe in it or you don’t. I’m of the persuasion that you can’t believe in a area 50% and be considered as believing. That’s not a jab at anybody, that’s what’s great about the body there are many areas that I’m not skilled in and many of you are very well able to be in those areas. I believe in the spirit realm, I believe it’s involved in your life. I believe 90%-95% of what I go through is spiritual. I’m not saying every headache or bellyache is caused by a spirit, on the other hand I believe a spirit can use that against you. With that said, seeing what I’ve seen, and hearing what I’ve heard I don’t cast anything off as absurd. I’ve seen way too much to say that, and I will continue to ask God to lead me deeper into that realm. I respect all of you and your opinion and collectively together we’re one awesome bride.