Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I didn’t say they were pastors. If I did I would be adding to a book which we are told not to add to. Correct?

EB you’re doing a wonderful job.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

You’re saying that spiritually the pastor is an angel?

I’m just throwing that out there. I’m not saying anything for sure. Look at the writings of Paul you’ll see more law typical writing, because of his background. Then you look at Johns writing and it’s a different depth in my opinion. If John was in the spirit and he was instructed to send these letters to the angels of the church’s. Some are asking where is that in the scriptures, well it may not be because where is there another book like revelation?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I didn’t say they were pastors. If I did I would be adding to a book which we are told not to add to. Correct?

I’m asking how would you take the traditions of Pauls time and apply them today?
You said the lord didn't send them by one, yet by two. Should there be a bishop over a pastor? I’m talking about the local assembly. I know and believe in the 5 fold ministry, I believe in the checks and balances of the ministry. Yet, in the local assembly, in your belief should there be more than one head of authority? I’m not asking you to add to the word of God, I’m asking you to add to this post.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Uhhh... because the Word was written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. It already says what the Spirit would have it say. There’s no more “spiritual” meaning behind what is already written.

What he said.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Where is the traditions they had then fit here today? Should there be several bishops, elders, and one Pastor for each church? That would mean several counsels for any given situation. If the men of wisdom find that the angel
did mean the Pastor, why wasn’t it written to the church instead? Just to note, John said “I was in the spirit on the Lords day” Angel to what we know is the messenger of God. I wonder if John saw what the Pastor is to the church (spiritually)? Back to the subject, of we have several Pastors, Bishops, Elders in the church would that be considered several heads to the church?

There is only one head of the church. It’s not (supposed to be) the pastor.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I’m asking how would you take the traditions of Pauls time and apply them today?
You said the lord didn't send them by one, yet by two. Should there be a bishop over a pastor? I’m talking about the local assembly. I know and believe in the 5 fold ministry, I believe in the checks and balances of the ministry. Yet, in the local assembly, in your belief should there be more than one head of authority? I’m not asking you to add to the word of God, I’m asking you to add to this post.

25] But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
[26] But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
[27] And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
[28] Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It should be leadership, but servant leadership.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

There is only one head of the church. It’s not (supposed to be) the pastor.

In your local assembly, how is it structured?

The way you post, I’m not looking to read there are saints, church ministries (Sunday school, youth, song etc) elders, assistants, Pastor.

I want to know if you live what your post, who is the authority in your assembly, who do you counsel with?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

25] But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
[26] But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
[27] And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
[28] Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It should be leadership, but servant leadership.

Servant leadership yes. Meekness is not weakness.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Servant leadership yes. Meekness is not weakness.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

In your local assembly, how is it structured?

The way you post, I’m not looking to read there are saints, church ministries (Sunday school, youth, song etc) elders, assistants, Pastor.

I want to know if you live what your post, who is the authority in your assembly, who do you counsel with?

My local assembly is probably not much different from yours. It doesn’t mean it agrees with the “apostolic model”.